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Was DG that great?

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On 7/19/2017 at 6:00 PM, pantherphan96 said:

Panthers Starters end of 2012 (before Gettleman) --> end of 2016/start of 2017
QB - Cam
RB - DWill --> Stewart
FB - Tolbert
WRs - Smith, Lafell --> KB, Funchess
TE - Olsen
LT - Gross --> Oher(Kalil)
LG - Silatolu --> Norwell
C - Kalil
RG - Garry Williams --> Turner
RT - Bell --> Williams(Moton)

DE - Hardy, CJ --> CJ, Peppers
DT - Dwan/Ron Edwards --> Star and KK
OLB - Davis, Anderson --> Davis, Thompson
MLB - Kuechly
CB - Munnerlyn, Norman --> Bradberry, Worley(Munnerlyn)
FS - Nakamura --> Coleman
SS - Godfrey --> Adams

 

Being as objective as possible, there are 9 positional upgrades, 2/3 downgrades (LT,WR,DE?)

This was done in 4/5 years despite inheriting a team 16million over the cap, with lots of money tied into long term contracts that had to restructured creating tons of dead money, drafting from the middle to end of each round in the draft.

Fails to even mention how many UDFA's or bargain bin free agents that came here and played a role in 2013, 2014, or 2015.

Having UDFA's and Bargain bin free agents playing major roles is why we still don't have a Super Bowl.

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On 7/20/2017 at 8:47 AM, Hogmolliesmaht said:

If you can't see that Gettleman has put this team in the best position ever to have those back to back winning seasons and still have room in the salary cap to reload for future seasons, then you're a fuming idiot. He has done everything but play the damn games for them.

If he did we would have had back to back winning seasons.

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11 minutes ago, SwagAces9030 said:

Having UDFA's and Bargain bin free agents playing major roles is why we still don't have a Super Bowl.

Then blame Hurney for killing our cap and putting us in a position where we had to have UDFAs and Bargain Bin FAs playing major roles.

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51 minutes ago, SwagAces9030 said:

If he did we would have had back to back winning seasons.

I'm talking about right now. He had to work his way out of a salary cap hole first. Seriously, where are you people coming from and who do you you think would have been a better GM? You do understand that no GM can anticipate all injuries or play the games for them, right?

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55 minutes ago, SwagAces9030 said:

Having UDFA's and Bargain bin free agents playing major roles is why we still don't have a Super Bowl.

The most successful teams aren't just the ones that hit on high draft picks, but those who can get value in the later rounds of the draft, through UDFAs and through free agents who were overlooked. We definitely relied on them too much in the past, but that was more a matter of circumstance (salary cap, weak FA classes the past few years at OT)

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1 hour ago, Saca312 said:

Then blame Hurney for killing our cap and putting us in a position where we had to have UDFAs and Bargain Bin FAs playing major roles.

it's kind of an unnerving realization when you figure out that a lot of people look at his time here and consider things like that as if they were just done because he just felt like it instead of, you know, actually being caused by something

it's a fruitless endeavor though.  people went through the cap math a million times regarding the steve smith and later deangelo williams releases and how it would help get luke and cam extended, in detail, a few years back.  then when it actually happened they just plowed on and kept shitting on gettleman anyway like usual.

 

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Just now, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

it's kind of an unnerving realization when you figure out that a lot of people look at his time here and consider things like that as if they were just done because he just felt like it instead of, you know, actually being caused by something

it's a fruitless endeavor though.  people went through the cap math a million times regarding the steve smith and later deangelo williams releases and how it would help get luke and cam extended, in detail.  then when it actually happened they just plowed on and kept shitting on gettleman for that byron bell season.

 

I believe Smith's release didn't give us cap space.

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GM is a tough job. He did a pretty darned good job of it. Better than probably any of us would do.

Things change, though, and I wish him well wherever he ends up. We will move on and be fine.

(All of these folks are multi-millionaires: ownership, management, players and top coaches. They are going to be better off than almost all of us. Let's not cry too much for them.)

 

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5 minutes ago, Car123 said:

I believe Smith's release didn't give us cap space.

it created dead money but way less than it would have if he would have played out the rest of his contract

more analysis here:

https://overthecap.com/steve-smiths-contract-situation-carolina-panthers/

we'd have still been on the hook for at least $6 million if he had been retained even if he had retired after 2014 like he said he would have.  that's a low end estimate too.

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I always love the "cap" excuse people. They're the ones that have no idea how the cap works.

They're also the ones first to celebrate when they see the Saints have "no money" every season then are confused as f*ck as to how they keep signing people every offseason.

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On 7/20/2017 at 1:10 PM, Cpt slay a ho said:

You can argue that twice he dismantled a Super Bowl ready team here, the first time after 2013 I force myself to believe the mess about clearing cap space, but after 2015, it was inexcusable.

Praytell, who built that "Super Bowl ready team"?

And no, it wasn't Marty Hurney.  The last team he built got him fired.  Teams are made of 53 players plus, not 5 to 10.

And losing one big name and a couple of older vets on their final run isn't "dismantling".

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2 hours ago, SwagAces9030 said:

Having UDFA's and Bargain bin free agents playing major roles is why we still don't have a Super Bowl.

Yeah.  Like what were the Patriots thinking with that Malcolm Butler guy?  He'll never do anything worthwhile.

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Praytell, who built that "Super Bowl ready team"?

And no, it wasn't Marty Hurney.  The last team he built got him fired.  Teams are made of 53 players plus, not 5 to 10.

And losing one big name and a couple of older vets on their final run isn't "dismantling".

I'm not a hurney fanboy so let's kill that right there, he was a bad gm his last couple of years, it's not about losing one to two big names and vets, it's the inability to replace them with equal or better production, along with fixing current holes in the team, that wasn't done effectively after 2013 and 2015, however this offseason he did a damn good job, I will give him that

 

 

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