Which path for Newton?

[Toker Smurf]

Is there any middle ground? I know that making him a pocket passer was the narrative in the offseason but seems like they have inched back towards the way he has always played. How about they slowly change the role instead of all at once?  Maybe its 2 or 3 years before they completely remove the called running plays while calling them less and less and maybe he plays 7-8 more years.

[Diehardpanther02]

this is an irrelevant conversation. Cam will be cam. This offense works around his strengths as a runner. Yeah there may be fewer designed runs but he will always be a threat. The best qbs in the game this season all have that mobility factor. And trying to take that away from one of the best to ever do it this way is like taking one leg away from him.  He can pass in a pocket, outside of the pocket. He can scramble, run the option, whatever he does he just needs to keep doing it. Part of the game is risking injury he just needs to keep getting better at choosing when to take a hit and he will be fine.

[outlaw4]

To me, it's straightforward. We should have less designed run plays for Cam while allowing him free reign to make plays on his feet any other play. It doesn't make sense to me telling him not to run despite our plays doing just that.

Besides, Cam strikes me as someone that will retire closer to 5 years than 10.

[Snake]

I think you see Cam protecting his body more this year. Let's face it if he stands in the pocket he is going to take head shots. I really wish he had a competent QB coach to teach him pocket movements to extend plays and then he can bail if he wants. 

[Marguide]

All of us who have watched Cam from the beginning know that nothing gets him going quicker than a successful run early in the game. He gets fired up and enthusiastic and seems to be sharper overall as a QB.

Let him run. Don't overdo it.

[grimesgoat]

Cam needs to be a threat to run to be effective.  What he is doing now I believe is ideal.  A couple option runs, a QB draw, a couple of scrambles, a couple of sneaks when we need a yard, and of course 3 knees out of victory formation at the end of the game.  6-7 runs a game for around 35 yards (assuming around 60-70 offensive snaps) is about perfect.

[iamhubby1]

3 hours ago, thefuzz said:

You remember this one?

 

It's not about the backbreaking hits that he takes while running, it's the cumulative effect of all of those hits received in the pocket, and outside.

Over time, Cam will take longer and longer to be ready to go after these games, he isn't getting younger.

 

As to losing the edge...that isn't ever going to happen, as Cam will likely be as athletic as any QB in the league as long as he plays...what we cannot keep doing is the power runs with Cam like we did in years past...that will 100% shorten his career.

 

    As bad as that play was. It did teach Cam a valuable lesson. He no longer dilly dallys when he runs. Nowadays when he runs, he runs with a purpose. As long as he is doing it that way, he is going to be fine.

 

 

 

    

[PantherPhann89]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Right now, the team's focus with Cam Newton is to turn him into more of a pocket passer and in doing so extend his career to maybe another ten years.

But I've heard some folks on radio, TV and elsewhere suggest they'd rather the Panthers just keep him as he is, even if it means he only plays another five years or so (or less).

If you had to choose one, do you change him to keep him longer or leave him alone knowing that he won't last as long?

Quality or quantity?

Simple answer, let Cam play his game but avoid major hits. Slide well before contact, go out of bounds well before defender can touch you. This way the defense still has to respect the run...

[goodoleboy]

14 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    As bad as that play was. It did teach Cam a valuable lesson. He no longer dilly dallys when he runs. Nowadays when he runs, he runs with a purpose. As long as he is doing it that way, he is going to be fine.

 

 

 

    

The teams we have played since he started running again haven't target his head as much either. I remember thinking during the Patriot game how much classier they were than Atlanta and Denver. They had numerous opportunities to take a head shot but played clean.

[thefuzz]

22 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    As bad as that play was. It did teach Cam a valuable lesson. He no longer dilly dallys when he runs. Nowadays when he runs, he runs with a purpose. As long as he is doing it that way, he is going to be fine.

 

 

 

    

The point....is you can get injured on the football field at any time, at any place.

You are going to get hit more when you run than when you pass, that's just how it goes, and the cumulative effect of those hits on Cam are showing up more rapidly than 5 years ago.

He needs to be able to run, and he always will be, but Ron and Shula need to cut down on how much they expose Cam.

[thefuzz]

11 minutes ago, goodoleboy said:

The teams we have played since he started running again haven't target his head as much either. I remember thinking during the Patriot game how much classier they were than Atlanta and Denver. They had numerous opportunities to take a head shot but played clean.

Classy and Patriots in the same sentence.

Guessing the devil is getting a little chilly down there.

[iamhubby1]

9 minutes ago, goodoleboy said:

The teams we have played since he started running again haven't target his head as much either. I remember thinking during the Patriot game how much classier they were than Atlanta and Denver. They had numerous opportunities to take a head shot but played clean.

 

    Well, to be honest. It really all comes down to the players. Some know technique, and lead with their head up, and hit with their shoulders. Too many just go for the hit, and lead with their head down, and hit with their helmet.

 

    IMO, I believe coaches, in both college, and the NFL, need to address these guys that use their heads. It has to get to "If you cannot see it, you cannot hit it." Because it is safer for both the hitter, and the hitee. 

[Navy_football]

Personally think this is silly...

I'd highly doubt if any other QB in the NFL is told he can't run. So, this team is telling arguably the best runner at the position that he shouldn't do it. Really doesn't make sense to me. 

[thefuzz]

4 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Personally think this is silly...

I'd highly doubt if any other QB in the NFL is told he can't run. So, this team is telling arguably the best runner at the position that he shouldn't do it. Really doesn't make sense to me. 

Multiple surgeries, concussions, shoulder issues, etc.

It's not about telling Cam he can't run, they aren't doing that...it's about limiting how many times you are asking him to run.  That's all.