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Cam discussing KB on Sunday

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10 minutes ago, Udogg said:

What out of control madness is Cam doing?  The only thing,  was the tie thing last year.  The thing with the Jordan R. was a mistake.  Other than that what is the "problem"?

Don't know of any out of control madness.  Do you?  

You've already responded to the problem that thomas96 outlined. 

Let me ask you, what is wrong with the coach actually having total control of his team?

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Cam is a lazy QB with his progressions when KB is on the field he will mostly only look to that side of the field cause when the pressure gets to him he will throw it up for grabs to KB. Even when he has someone wide open underneath he will wait for KB to clear which gets him in trouble. When KB is not on the field cam was taking what the defense gave him that’s the difference from 2015 to now. It was like KB was 1st read and 3rd.

i think we will see a vastly improved cam next Sunday just cause he will be forced to take what the defense gives him.

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3 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

If it's not laziness then he just isn't very smart. When you regress as much as he has since he peaked in 2015 in every aspect of his game, it's one or the other. The fact that he got to 2015 levels tells me he's smart enough, but hasn't put in the effort required to keep developing and improving. Every QB has the ability to improve their accuracy if they work hard enough at it. Cam's accuracy has never improved his entire career. He has pin point throws and erratic throws, all over the place. Consistently inconsistent year in and year out. That doesn't have to be the case. He hasn't fixed issues with his mechanics, something that is very important when you have a bum throwing shoulder due to injury now. He can't exactly throw off his back foot now with only his arm doing the work with no fundamentals and expect to be good throwing off solely a bum shoulder. He was damn near perfect maneuvering the pocket in '15, and last year and this year he has been absolutely terrible. And in 2015 he went through his reads perfectly and last year and this year has locks onto covered receivers consistently, and throws downfield into coverage when there are wide open options short-intermediate. I'm sorry but anyone watching objectively can see that Cam can and needs to get better. Poor coaching is a factor but definitely not an excuse. Cam should be much better.

by regress do you mean suffered multiple concussions and played through the season with an injured shoulder? I'd hate to see what you'd call me lol

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1 minute ago, ncmonzta said:

by regress do you mean suffered multiple concussions and played through the season with an injured shoulder? I'd hate to see what you'd call me lol

He suffered one concussion, which didn't affect his play the rest of the games at all to a degree that it can be used as an excuse. Guys like Favre, Montana, etc. played through concussions their entire careers. He played through 3 games and part of another with an injured shoulder. The rest of the games were just as bad as those 3. And his shoulder this year is fully healed outside of soreness. No excuse whatsoever. And these injuries have absolutely no impact on half of the aspects of the game that he struggles with. Quit the bullsh*t blind defending of Cam because it's ridiculous around here. I love Cam as much as anyone and even with the struggles I want him here, but he has to get better if we ever want to hope to sniff the SB again.

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7 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

If it's not laziness then he just isn't very smart. When you regress as much as he has since he peaked in 2015 in every aspect of his game, it's one or the other. The fact that he got to 2015 levels tells me he's smart enough, but hasn't put in the effort required to keep developing and improving. Every QB has the ability to improve their accuracy if they work hard enough at it. Cam's accuracy has never improved his entire career. He has pin point throws and erratic throws, all over the place. Consistently inconsistent year in and year out. That doesn't have to be the case. He hasn't fixed issues with his mechanics, something that is very important when you have a bum throwing shoulder due to injury now. He can't exactly throw off his back foot now with only his arm doing the work with no fundamentals and expect to be good throwing off solely a bum shoulder. He was damn near perfect maneuvering the pocket in '15, and last year and this year he has been absolutely terrible. And in 2015 he went through his reads perfectly and last year and this year has locks onto covered receivers consistently, and throws downfield into coverage when there are wide open options short-intermediate. I'm sorry but anyone watching objectively can see that Cam can and needs to get better. Poor coaching is a factor but definitely not an excuse. Cam should be much better.

I dont know what you're seeing out there thomas, but Cam has tremendously improved his movement in the pocket. His mechanics has also been way better. His arm just had been erratic off surgery. Thats why OTA's, training camp is so important. Yes Cam has locked on some targets, but the downfield throws and open options underneath (mostly CMC)... well isn't that our offense. Our offense has been the deep ball. Getting rid of Ginn was dumb.

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57 minutes ago, PantherCam213 said:

Don't know of any out of control madness.  Do you?  

You've already responded to the problem that thomas96 outlined. 

Let me ask you, what is wrong with the coach actually having total control of his team?

I mean I don't see a problem with it.  I guess I don't see what you are alluding to as far as Cam running things?  I thought Cam was benched last year for violating team rules,  so I don't see what your point is? 

What exactly doesn't Ron have control of? 

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4 minutes ago, Udogg said:

I mean I don't see a problem with it.  I guess I don't see what you are alluding to as far as Cam running things?  I thought Cam was benched last year for violating team rules,  so I don't see what your point is? 

What exactly doesn't Ron have control of? 

I was responding to FreeFua who made it sound like the coach having control of his team would not turn out well.  Just pointing out that it has turned out well for other teams.

There are rumors that Cam is not being held accountable by the staff or front office.  Are they true?  I have no idea.

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1 hour ago, thomas96 said:

If it's not laziness then he just isn't very smart. When you regress as much as he has since he peaked in 2015 in every aspect of his game, it's one or the other. The fact that he got to 2015 levels tells me he's smart enough, but hasn't put in the effort required to keep developing and improving. Every QB has the ability to improve their accuracy if they work hard enough at it. Cam's accuracy has never improved his entire career. He has pin point throws and erratic throws, all over the place. Consistently inconsistent year in and year out. That doesn't have to be the case. He hasn't fixed issues with his mechanics, something that is very important when you have a bum throwing shoulder due to injury now. He can't exactly throw off his back foot now with only his arm doing the work with no fundamentals and expect to be good throwing off solely a bum shoulder. He was damn near perfect maneuvering the pocket in '15, and last year and this year he has been absolutely terrible. And in 2015 he went through his reads perfectly and last year and this year has locks onto covered receivers consistently, and throws downfield into coverage when there are wide open options short-intermediate. I'm sorry but anyone watching objectively can see that Cam can and needs to get better. Poor coaching is a factor but definitely not an excuse. Cam should be much better.

It's an offensive line issue.  Period.  When Cam is protected, especially no pressure in his face, he has outstanding games.   When he doesn't (ie when Kalil is missing, or the guards are getting manhandled ) like Philly game, he doesn't play well.    You can't proceed through your reads when the line can't block.   Look at 2015 Oline blocking and look at 2016 and this year.   It's a huge difference.  Get NFL gamepass and watch.  Our line blocked poorly in 3 games.  We lost 2 of them.  Couple that with a number 1 receiver who is tied for the worst in the entire NFL is separation yards, its a bad recipe.   I was clear when I said Cam played poorly early in the year, and looking at the difference between him practicing a full week and not, it was obvious that was an issue. 

Cam has done a much better overall job this year , especially compared to last year of not throwing off his back foot.  His completion percentage is the highest it's ever been 63 percent. So that's an improvement.   He hasn't thrown as many wtf passes since he has started full week practicing. 

So this is what Cam has to work with:

The worst running game in the league (ypc) 2.8 yards per carry

The worst WR's at separating in the league  (2.4) yards of separation

Inconsistent guard play. 

A LT that inexplicably misses at least 3 assignments per game. 

The brother of that LT has a neck made of bungy cords, duct tape and flexi-seal. 

He is by far our best running back because of (see below)

A head coach that wants to be a running team with out a line that blocks the run well. 

 

Can Cam play better, most assuredly.  You can say that about every team except for maybe Tom Brady, Wentz and Alex Smith.   But lazy?  Stupid?  That's the kind of stuff, that kills me.   It's only certain QB's that get those comparisons..... 

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21 minutes ago, PantherCam213 said:

I was responding to FreeFua who made it sound like the coach having control of his team would not turn out well.  Just pointing out that it has turned out well for other teams.

There are rumors that Cam is not being held accountable by the staff or front office.  Are they true?  I have no idea.

Having control of a team and “putting Cam in his place” are two completely different things especially when “putting Cam in his place” is coming from someone like Thomas. 

This coaching staff has butchered this whole Cam thing from day 1, it’s going to be quite difficult to suddenly change their approach overnight with him but I do agree they need to be more like coaches

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