Great moments in bad timing

[Bartin]

8 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've stated before that I believe Richardson only reluctantly fired him in the first place.

That's bolstered by the fact that he brought him back first chance he got, after the utter mess he had left us with  had been cleaned up for him, of course. 

Honestly the shït heap we got into cap wise was really more Jerry’s fault than Hurney’s. Jerry made him spend no money so he could have sweet pie charts in the CBA negotiations then forced him to spend a ton in a short period of time to meet minimums and that meant overpaying everyone. Hurney is not completely absolved of blame but that was mostly Jerry.

[Car123]

Hurney is better than Gettleman. End of story.

[Krovvy]

14 minutes ago, Bartin said:

Honestly the shït heap we got into cap wise was really more Jerry’s fault than Hurney’s. Jerry made him spend no money so he could have sweet pie charts in the CBA negotiations then forced him to spend a ton in a short period of time to meet minimums and that meant overpaying everyone. Hurney is not completely absolved of blame but that was mostly Jerry.

Another thing about the cap I don't see often mentioned was the cap stagnated, and was even lowered in the last years of Hurney's tenure. During Gettleman's time with the Panthers the cap increased about 10 million a year on average.

[KillerKat]

I'm almost done investing time into this team until something changes.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Hurney is better than Gettleman. End of story.

You have no clue what you're talking about. End of interest. 

[Krovvy]

It looks like the Panthers worst years of "cap hell" happened during the caps stagnation. When Gettleman took over the cap ballooned every year. This chart is even missing the 2017 season where the cap increased by almost 13 million.

[JonTravels]

9 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

The Panthers have been guilty of poor timing a lot this year, and not just in that we keep having to call timeouts because the offense doesn't have a play ready. 

Dave Gettleman was fired at the start of training camp. 

Kelvin Benjamin was traded at a time when the team had a winning record and he was helping that effort.  

And then we got the news yesterday that Marty Hurney is "interim" all the way through June of next year. 

This potentially could be the worst news yet. 

Assuming Hurney really is "interim" (not that anybody buys that, but hey), the ideal time to interview GM candidates for most teams is right after the season ends. That's when other teams who have an opening will be doing their work. 

And perhaps Hurney will do his due diligence at that point too, but it's worth noting that there's nothing stopping Hurney from working on that front now. Reports have confirmed that he's doing nothing of the sort.

If Hurney uses that stretch of time to concentrate solely on the draft and free agency instead, then good candidates we might have had an opportunity to get may already have other jobs by the time we get around to GM finding in June.

That'd leave us picking over what's left.

I've been hoping to see at least some initial action on the GM search front, but nothing's happened. A lot of people believe nothing is going to happen, but even if it does we may be seeing yet another example of terrible timing on the part of the Panthers.

Sadly, par for the course... 

You make on OK point, but I stopped reading after I realized your entire premise is wrong. The scouting department works through the draft, that's their Superb Owl. Hiring a new GM/Scouting team after the season gives them almost no time to scout talent.

[JonTravels]

43 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

And as bad as all this is, playing Newton in December when all was lost and waiting on March for that surgery did the team no favors

 

Also dumb... You wait as long as you can for surgery based on expected recovery time. It's always better to heal without surgery. 

You're mad because the Panthers did what EVERY team does...

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

It looks like the Panthers worst years of "cap hell" happened during the caps stagnation. When Gettleman took over the cap ballooned every year. This chart is even missing the 2017 season where the cap increased by almost 13 million.

2010 was uncapped. How did we do that year? 

Also between 2005 and 2006, the cap went up by 16.5 million. 

Hurney benefited from plenty of cap increases. Lack of cap was not the issue. Lack of planning for the cap was. Hurney came to a point of counting on those increases, and if they didn't come, he was screwed. 

But voila, uncapped year. Every opportunity I'm the world to get things back in order. Did it happen? 

No.

But hey, being maxed against the cap isn't so bad if you're winning.

We weren't. 

Now is it valid that Richardson is likely the driving force behind the worst of it? Yes, but that doesn't really help Hurney because all it does is show he's a yes man / puppet for a bad owner. 

[Mr. Scot]

23 minutes ago, TwoMinuteWarning said:

You make on OK point, but I stopped reading after I realized your entire premise is wrong. The scouting department works through the draft, that's their Superb Owl. Hiring a new GM/Scouting team after the season gives them almost no time to scout talent.

Recent GM hiring dates:

Sashi Brown, Browns - Jan 3rd

Bob Quinn, Lions - January 8th

Jon Robinson, Titans - hired January 14th

Chris Ballard, Colts - hired January 29th

Dave Gettleman was hired in early January the year he came aboard too. That's the time of year when those changes happen. 

Scouting teams generally stay in place even after the new GM is hired. Some GMs keep them. Those that fire them don't do so until after the draft. 

[TheRumGone]

JR doesn’t give a fug. Once you accept that it’s hard to care. This is amateur hour. 

[iamhubby1]

9 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

I wish I could be as optimistic as you.  I feel like my heart has been ripped from my chest by all of this.   I just can't sit by a let my favorite team be run into the ground, again, by an old fart and an idiot puppet GM.  And don't get me started in Ron an Shula.  I feel like these bastards just killed my dog.  I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.  I've bit my tongue for many years but not anymore.

 

    So, what you are saying is. That now that you are more willing to voice your displeasure. We are the ones that have to suffer? Well, isn't that special.

[Mr. Scot]

7 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

So, what you are saying is. That now that you are more willing to voice your displeasure. We are the ones that have to suffer? Well, isn't that special.

Pretty sure this isn't much fun for anybody, Hub. 

I will never ever cheer against the Panthers, but I can't pretend to be optimistic right now when I'm not. 

[saX man]

12 hours ago, Paintballr said:

It doesn’t help that I’m pretty sure we are the only time in sports history to fire a GM, then fire the one that replaced him and hire him back.

Cereal. I can't believe how overlooked this simple fact is.  It's absurdity.