Personal foul occurred after the play, shouldn't have offset the safety

[Thanatos]

2 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Here's the question as to whether or not the hold was called in the endzone or the field of play... did the referee ever indicate a safety?  Because if it was the referee (or the other backfield official) that called the hold, they usually immediately indicate the safety.

Of course, this ref is Booger, so no telling what he could do wrong making calls or proceduarlly.

I believe you are correct. Boger did not call the hold in the endzone which is why this happened and the penalties offset.

[Chaos]

Devil's advocate - Say we got the safety and were down 2 points, ole Ron might have played for a long field goal to try and win it.  I was happy we needed to get 7, that way each set of downs was 4 tries to get 10 yards, not going cute and conservative to set up a 45 yarder like it's a given. 

[Shocker]

1 hour ago, KillerKat said:

He called the wrong number at least 3 times

Oh no, it was all fuggin day man.  Not sure they got a number right the whole game.  This crew is probably the worst.  But... giving us the Winston fumble when he clearly had the ball was fuggin priceless.

[Jimmy]

Jerome Boger and his crew officiated our win against New England earlier in the year and the Panthers are 9-6 lifetime with Boger as the lead official.

 

[L-TownCat]

4 hours ago, Thanatos said:

I am curious though. What we are saying here I think doesn't quite make sense. Think about this way. Are you guys that if it was not a safety, they should first enforce the holding call, and then give the Bucs 15 yards and a first down for the dead ball foul? Or are you saying if it wasn't a safety, then they should offset?

The personal foul occurred after the play was over.  That makes it a dead ball penalty.  The holding call should have stood giving the Panthers two points and possession.  The dead ball foul would then be assessed on the ensuing free kick.

That whole sequence was fuged with a capital fug.

[TylerDurden]

7 hours ago, electro's horse said:

Safety should have stood; 15 yards applied to the free kick.

Refs fuging blew it. 

I texted this same thing to my friend during the game and none of us on this board are paid to know the fuging rules.  I felt like i was watching SB50 all over again...  actually i felt the officiating was even worse than that today.

Not to mention, Hawley or whoever the fug it was did a hell of a flop job after being handsy after the play all day and nothing was called on him...  but, it was clearly a dead play once the hold in the end zone was called for a safety, and then the faux personal foul was post-play and shouodve been enforced on kickoff. Boger is a fuging retard and should be fired immediately.  I can't stand his dumbass.  He and Clete Blakeman jump in a boat straight to hell.

[Thanatos]

I'm wondering if we didn't get fuged over by a technicality here. Had Julius Peppers intercepted a pass or recovered a fumble, and then Star did his dumb personal foul, it's Carolina ball. However, after a safety, the Bucs technically still have possession of the ball until after they actually kick the ball, since you can do an onsides kick on the safety, it's not 100% guaranteed Carolina ever actually gets possession.

[tiger7_88]

15 hours ago, Chaos said:

Devil's advocate - Say we got the safety and were down 2 points, ole Ron might have played for a long field goal to try and win it.  I was happy we needed to get 7, that way each set of downs was 4 tries to get 10 yards, not going cute and conservative to set up a 45 yarder like it's a given. 

Yeah, in retrospect a scary thought.

Because we all know FG Ron would have rather put the game in the hands of our "I've missed 3 XPs this year" Pro Bowl PK than our MVP QB.  That goes without question.

[Thanatos]

8 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Yeah, in retrospect a scary thought.

Because we all know FG Ron would have rather put the game in the hands of our "I've missed 3 XPs this year" Pro Bowl PK than our MVP QB.  That goes without question.

Not to mention, there would have been 7:30ish on the clock when we got the ball back there. So we play for a FG, go up 20-19 even assuming we make it and the Bucs have plenty of time to go down and kick the gamewinner.

Yeesh.

Its the Pats game all over again, Gano missing that XP won us the game because coaching would have screwed it up. 

[Chaos]

35 minutes ago, Thanatos said:

Not to mention, there would have been 7:30ish on the clock when we got the ball back there. So we play for a FG, go up 20-19 even assuming we make it and the Bucs have plenty of time to go down and kick the gamewinner.

Yeesh.

Its the Pats game all over again, Gano missing that XP won us the game because coaching would have screwed it up. 

Yep

[Wolfcop]

16 hours ago, Chaos said:

Devil's advocate - Say we got the safety and were down 2 points, ole Ron might have played for a long field goal to try and win it.  I was happy we needed to get 7, that way each set of downs was 4 tries to get 10 yards, not going cute and conservative to set up a 45 yarder like it's a given. 

I actually thought the same thing. 

[JJT]

On 12/24/2017 at 3:47 PM, WarHeel said:

Dude has called out jersey numbers wrong today 3 times to my recollection.

More like six times. 

[Jackofalltrades]

How about Pep being held again on the next play in the same fashion and not drawing a flag?

[jasonluckydog]

We should have a banner made and fly it over NFL headquarters