Starting Over

[redbuddha]

 We already know a new gm is coming down the pipe, we also know there will be new ownership. So with that being said do we get rid of Shula,  or do we get rid of Cam?

• For those of us who have doubted Shula as a coach, we always spoken to his track record, which has been historically avg at best. Even our best season with Shula at the helm, would be considered an outlier in his career.
• As much as I love Cam he has also been wildly inconsistent with amazing peaks, and horrendously deep valleys.

So the question is “Do we think Shula makes Cam below average, thru scheme, coaching and play calling, or is Cam just a below average qb or Cam would be above average qb with a different scheme and play caller.

Because we know at least 2 changes are going to happen, will there be more and which would you prefer?

 

this is not a thread for pie, just honest discussion.

[DelhommesTheMan]

I remember when Rivera got hired he states how he wanted an attacking offense.  We honestly had that with Chud.  Chud of course leaves to become a HC, and all of a sudden Rivera is okay with this mismanaged, conservative garbage for good?  Rivera has gone soft and while he may have survived this long, and had success dispite his shortcomings, this franchise needs someone to take us to the next level.  Also Rivera may be the worst at managing the clock I’ve ever seen.

[rayzor]

i'd like to see cam with a much different and more creative OC.

i'd rather not see shula at all.

[The Lobo]

Well if the choice is cam or Shula. I choose cam 100/100. No hesitation. 

[DelhommesTheMan]

Louis Riddick said this morning after watching the film that our scheme and play calling looked like Training Camp Day 1 Install stuff.  Absolutely pathetic...

[Clicheking]

Did you suggest that we get rid of Cam, to make way for Shula.

 

 

 

 

I'm out

[Hoenheim]

Its a combination of the two. Cam has always been inconsistent throwing the ball , and Shula makes things worse by calling dumb ass play calls that dont help receivers get open.

Shula isn't going anywhere until we have another losing season . Then it depends on how much or how little patience our new owner has. 

Cams not going anywhere until his contracts up, which means at least 3 more seasons (through 2020 season).

With Cam you have to keep in mind he's had a shitty OC, shitty Oline, and shitty WRs for the vast majority of his career. I think its only fair to let him have at least a couple seasons with a much better OC, better WRs, and oline. 

[Daddy_Uncle]

goddamn we are in the playoffs. Can we get through the playoffs first and try to stop being so damn depressing on here. 

[Hoenheim]

1 minute ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

goddamn we are in the playoffs. Can we get through the playoffs first and try to stop being so damn depressing on here. 

its going to be a lot worse if we get wrecked by the saints on Sunday

[Jimmy]

You can't have creative without an explosive #1 WR.  We don't have that. When you can play man to man against our WRs and load the box/spy, it limits creativity and big plays. 

[Hoenheim]

Just now, Jimmy said:

You can't have creative without an explosive #1 WR.  We don't have that. When you can play man to man against our WRs and load the box/spy, it limits creativity and big plays. 

Allen Robinson in free agency?

[AceBoogie]

Shula and Cam both have their faults. Shula more so than Cam. But the biggest obstacle this offense is facing is they just don’t have the talent. When your Wrs can’t beat man coverage that makes it really hard to do your job as an offensive coordinator and QB. More of it falls on Shula for not being able to scheme players open. 

[The Lobo]

5 minutes ago, DelhommesTheMan said:

Louis Riddick said this morning after watching the film that our scheme and play calling looked like Training Camp Day 1 Install stuff.  Absolutely pathetic...

At least 5 times this year I have heard announcers scoff that we had three WRs in the same area several times in several games. That’s on scheme not players 

[Hoenheim]

Just now, AceBoogie said:

Shula and Cam both have their faults. Shula more so than Cam. But the biggest obstacle this offense is facing is they just don’t have the talent. When your Wrs can’t beat man coverage that makes it really hard to do your job as an offensive coordinator and QB. More of it falls on Shula for not being able to scheme players open. 

Patriots WRs outside of Cooks arent incredibly talented either