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When you wish upon a Star...

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2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I like Star and I'd love to keep him, but I honestly don't think there's a massive drop off from him to Kyle Love and I'm personally tired of seeing us waste 1st round picks in backup roles during the cheap years of their contracts.

Based on what, the reason  K-Love was effective because he was a rotational piece and was fresh. If he is a starter and Star is gone his play along with KK, Butler and the whole LB Corp goes down.

 

Y’all acting like he is about get paid a QB contract worth $100 million.

Many of the core veteran players are getting phased out and Star along with Norwell are in line to takeover the spots.

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He always struck me as a guy who's playing football for just the money. I don't think he really cares about the passion etc or team comradery (never did the dab or smiled during 2015).  He just wants to get paid to do his job for as long as he can.  

Even when he was drafted, wasn't overly excited.

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2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I like Star and I'd love to keep him, but I honestly don't think there's a massive drop off from him to Kyle Love and I'm personally tired of seeing us waste 1st round picks in backup roles during the cheap years of their contracts.

We really can't pay a guy top dollar to play 1 or two downs a game. What we don't need to do is completely ignore the issue in FA. Star isn't even the 3rd best NT this year and it means help is out there. 

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13 minutes ago, Dunn said:

He always struck me as a guy who's playing football for just the money. I don't think he really cares about the passion etc or team comradery (never did the dab or smiled during 2015).  He just wants to get paid to do his job for as long as he can.  

Even when he was drafted, wasn't overly excited.

not seeing this at all...

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1 minute ago, Snake said:

We really can't pay a guy top dollar to play 1 or two downs a game. What we don't need to do is completely ignore the issue in FA. Star isn't even the 3rd best NT this year and it means help is out there. 

Yep. Star only played 58% of our snaps last year. Love played 38%.

In 2016 Star played 66% and Love only played 21%. 

Kyle Love was already starting to eat into Star's snap count. If we don't re-sign Star (which I suspect), I expect Love to be up close to 50% of our snap counts and Butler to go from 30% probably also up to around the 50% mark. We'll need to bring in another DT to play another 20% or so of snaps.

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2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yep. Star only played 58% of our snaps last year. Love played 38%.

In 2016 Star played 66% and Love only played 21%. 

Kyle Love was already starting to eat into Star's snap count. If we don't re-sign Star (which I suspect), I expect Love to be up close to 50% of our snap counts and Butler to go from 30% probably also up to around the 50% mark. We'll need to bring in another DT to play another 20% or so of snaps.

I think a guy like Nagta who might not hold up to 40% snaps but could provide more pass rush would be worth looking into. We also really need to resign Norwell. He about 3x more important than star. Especially with Norv at the wheel of the offense. 

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50 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Highest paid NT in the NFL (who is in a 3-4 sceme) is making 10.8 a year in his 5 year 54 Mil contract. 

The position pays Waay less than a 4-3 3-tech or Rush DT.  KK isnt even the highest paid at 5 years 80 mil or 16 a year.

Star isnt even one of the top NT in the league last year.  Poe a 2x probowler could only get a 1 year 8 mil.  Star should pickup somewhere between 8.5-9 a year which can fit our budget especially if we dont resign Norwell

You’re not taking inflation into account. Contracts go up every year. Garoppolo just became the highest paid player based off 7 starts. Every year there are teams that are loaded with cap room and start throwing insane contracts all over the place.

One important detail you’re missing on Poe is that he got paid $8M a year with a bad back. No team wanted to sign him and he still got $8M. What would they offer a healthy Star? If it came down to paying $8.5-9M a year for Star or that same amount for a game changing CB/S/DE, I’m picking the latter.

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2 minutes ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

Doesn't sound like he has much interest in returning. Burwell is more of a priority anyways. We would be crazy to throw a lot of money at Star. 

the only hitch is the money...if we could get him back it would be great, it's not about his attitude ,it's about the cost. He is a pro and has conducted himself accordingly and if he stayed he would continue to do so... a valuable member of this team.

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36 minutes ago, KDawg004 said:

You’re not taking inflation into account. Contracts go up every year. Garoppolo just became the highest paid player based off 7 starts. Every year there are teams that are loaded with cap room and start throwing insane contracts all over the place.

One important detail you’re missing on Poe is that he got paid $8M a year with a bad back. No team wanted to sign him and he still got $8M. What would they offer a healthy Star? If it came down to paying $8.5-9M a year for Star or that same amount for a game changing CB/S/DE, I’m picking the latter.

And your not accounting in the inflation in the cap as well.

Inflation of a NT isnt going to shoot up thaaat much in 1 year.

You cant compare a QB to a NT as well as far as contract inflations, they 2 completely different animals.

Nobody wanted Poe. I seem to remember him visiting a handful of teams last year and came down to 3 as far as bidding.  Atl had more $$ than Jax and the other team.  Plus he got 8 mil because it was a 1 year deal. Guys are going to get more money per year off a 1 year vs multi-year.  Star isnt a top 3 NT so he isnt going to come close to that 10 mil a year.

And lastly yes I would love a game changing CB/S/DE.  But 1. There isnt a CB or DE really worth that big money in this years FA class.   And B.  The money your saving from not signing Star isnt going to get you a stud at that position as those positions go for higher money.  Thats like do sign a stud RB for a stud QB, ones position os valued waaaay higher

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