Best "tight window" QBs.

[top dawg]

In my opinion,  this is another interesting article by Matt Harmon.  Though Cam Newton was no where near the top, Harmon didn't disappoint by giving a take. 

 

"Cam Newton's tight-window passer rating fell 24.2 points from 2016 to 2017, and his 2.07 adjusted yards per attempt ranked 26th among qualifying quarterbacks this past season. The Panthers set out to evolve their offense heading into 2017 and help eliminate the high-degree-of-difficulty throws far too often assigned to Newton throughout his career. In early November, it looked like that plan was working, as his tight-window percentage was way down from the 24.5 percent he carried in 2016. However, as injuries mounted in the Carolina receiving corps, the plan dissolved, and he ended up throwing 20 percent of his overall passes into tight windows"

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000915500/article/dak-prescott-matthew-stafford-among-top-10-tightwindow-qbs

 

It's really just more evidence that we need playmakers at the wide receiver position.  I think it's noteworthy to mention that Olsen came back late,  but that still didn't help Cam with this metric. We NEED receivers!

[The Lobo]

16 minutes ago, top dawg said:

In my opinion,  this is another interesting article by Matt Harmon.  Though Cam Newton was no where near the top, Harmon didn't disappoint by giving a take. 

 

"Cam Newton's tight-window passer rating fell 24.2 points from 2016 to 2017, and his 2.07 adjusted yards per attempt ranked 26th among qualifying quarterbacks this past season. The Panthers set out to evolve their offense heading into 2017 and help eliminate the high-degree-of-difficulty throws far too often assigned to Newton throughout his career. In early November, it looked like that plan was working, as his tight-window percentage was way down from the 24.5 percent he carried in 2016. However, as injuries mounted in the Carolina receiving corps, the plan dissolved, and he ended up throwing 20 percent of his overall passes into tight windows"

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000915500/article/dak-prescott-matthew-stafford-among-top-10-tightwindow-qbs

 

It's really just more evidence that we need playmakers at the wide receiver position.  I think it's noteworthy to mention that Olsen came back late,  but that still didn't help Cam with this metric. We NEED receivers!

It was an odd season; some games, like the first three, looked like we changed our O and were doing quick passes. Then, when poo hit the fan, we referred to Cam bailing us out all the time. Which worked at times, but as you could see in the playoffs, it let us down again. I agree with OP, we need better WRs 

[tiger7_88]

13 hours ago, The Lobo said:

Then, when poo hit the fan, we referred to Cam bailing us out all the time.

That's always Rivera's Secret Plan.

Save Me Cam is the only reason Rivera has earned any respect as a head coach and Shula got any positive coverage as a coordinator.

[Lumps]

Why is it whenever other QBs carry their team they’re leading them for victory but for Cam it’s him bailing us out and putting the team on his a back? Isn’t that what a franchise qb is suppose to do? Make tight windowed throws? Why does an elite QB need soooooo many weapons? Either you believe Cam is in the Bree/Brady/Rodgers tier or he isn’t...but he can’t be if the above keeps getting mentioned.

Cam can take some blame too. This year to me felt like every other game it was the receivers then Cam (cam lost the last falcons almost by himself, yet played perfect for the wild card game).

What this team really needs is consistency from the receivers AND QB. 

[top dawg]

3 hours ago, Lumps said:

Why is it whenever other QBs carry their team they’re leading them for victory but for Cam it’s him bailing us out and putting the team on his a back? Isn’t that what a franchise qb is suppose to do? Make tight windowed throws? Why does an elite QB need soooooo many weapons? Either you believe Cam is in the Bree/Brady/Rodgers tier or he isn’t...but he can’t be if the above keeps getting mentioned.

Cam can take some blame too. This year to me felt like every other game it was the receivers then Cam (cam lost the last falcons almost by himself, yet played perfect for the wild card game).

What this team really needs is consistency from the receivers AND QB. 

Some QBs are better than others at different aspects of the position. You can't realistically expect every QB to be Brady,  Brees or Rodgers with tight throws. More importantly,  the top QBs can't make JAG receivers into great ones (contrary to a certain segment of the Huddle's belief). You got to have something to work with.  Seeing receivers disappear for weeks at a time,  or just flat out dropping balls all over the field including the end zone like Kaelin Clay did last month is supremely frustrating as a fan.  You can imagine how frustrating it is for a talented QB. 

[LinvilleGorge]

4 hours ago, Lumps said:

Why is it whenever other QBs carry their team they’re leading them for victory but for Cam it’s him bailing us out and putting the team on his a back? Isn’t that what a franchise qb is suppose to do? Make tight windowed throws? Why does an elite QB need soooooo many weapons? Either you believe Cam is in the Bree/Brady/Rodgers tier or he isn’t...but he can’t be if the above keeps getting mentioned.

Cam can take some blame too. This year to me felt like every other game it was the receivers then Cam (cam lost the last falcons almost by himself, yet played perfect for the wild card game).

What this team really needs is consistency from the receivers AND QB. 

How many weapons did we have this year that would be highly sought after by other NFL teams? Olsen would probably be #1 and he missed a good chunk of the season. Funchess has turned himself into a nice receiver, but he probably wouldn't even be a starter on half the teams in the league. CMC would probably be a 3rd down back on most teams (the teams that didn't just straight up convert him to a slot WR). Samuel's rookie season was essentially a redshirt year with all of his injuries. The rest of them? They'd struggle to make another NFL roster and that's the truth. In terms of overall offensive weaponry, we were very near the bottom of the NFL. Cam's abilities with both his arm and his legs has kept this offense afloat. Put a traditional QB in that offense and it'd be struggle city.

I honestly struggle to see how so many people can't see this.

[Lumps]

39 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

How many weapons did we have this year that would be highly sought after by other NFL teams? Olsen would probably be #1 and he missed a good chunk of the season. Funchess has turned himself into a nice receiver, but he probably wouldn't even be a starter on half the teams in the league. CMC would probably be a 3rd down back on most teams (the teams that didn't just straight up convert him to a slot WR). Samuel's rookie season was essentially a redshirt year with all of his injuries. The rest of them? They'd struggle to make another NFL roster and that's the truth. In terms of overall offensive weaponry, we were very near the bottom of the NFL. Cam's abilities with both his arm and his legs has kept this offense afloat. Put a traditional QB in that offense and it'd be struggle city.

I honestly struggle to see how so many people can't see this.

That’s three decent weapons. Olsen was injured but if your best target goes down on any NFL team, you’re going to struggle. That’s the game and the way it is.

If Cam is elite, he will make it work. I am not saying we don’t need a WR, we most certainly do but I don’t see us needing some big ego’ed 1500 yard receiver like so many other people on this forum think. We need role players. A speedy guy. A clutch vet receiver.

This isn’t some theory...this was 2015. What was also 2015 was consistent QB play. Cam took what was given to him. Every game, every time he played at a level where the Panthers have a chance to win. His passing stats won’t show it, but The main thing Cam did in 2015 is simply not make mistakes. On a consistent basis. Mistakes and taking what you’re given have little to nothing to do with the weapons you have, Brady proves this time and time again in games his weapons are injured or ply like poo.

Add this to some role players and consistency at WR plus a stout defense and we win.

[poorboysrev]

1 hour ago, Lumps said:

That’s three decent weapons. Olsen was injured but if your best target goes down on any NFL team, you’re going to struggle. That’s the game and the way it is.

If Cam is elite, he will make it work. I am not saying we don’t need a WR, we most certainly do but I don’t see us needing some big ego’ed 1500 yard receiver like so many other people on this forum think. We need role players. A speedy guy. A clutch vet receiver.

This isn’t some theory...this was 2015. What was also 2015 was consistent QB play. Cam took what was given to him. Every game, every time he played at a level where the Panthers have a chance to win. His passing stats won’t show it, but The main thing Cam did in 2015 is simply not make mistakes. On a consistent basis. Mistakes and taking what you’re given have little to nothing to do with the weapons you have, Brady proves this time and time again in games his weapons are injured or ply like poo.

Add this to some role players and consistency at WR plus a stout defense and we win.

Bree's, Rodgers, and Brady all 3 have better weapons than us and it's not even close.  Not to mention their playcalling and schemes/coaching on offense are better..especially Brees and Brady. Only reason we lost the saints' game was the saints' receivers(Thomas in particular) made the tough catches ours couldn't. Oh yeah and on top of that we can't run the ball without Cam...which is a huge difference. I don't know why we've gotten conditioned to only having one good receiver(aka olsen)  at a time but it's bs. No one's saying we need 4 all pros out there but even just Ginn would have made a HUGE difference on this team so what does that say about our receiving corp? I like the flashes Byrd and Samuels showed...but they're also smaller receivers coming off injuries. I think it's unfair to Cam to count on them. Bring in talent at the position and let them fight it out...the cream will rise to the top.  

[poorboysrev]

The eagles overhauled their receiving corps without handing out giant contracts and it panned out big time, there's no reason we should not be able to

[OriginalPantherDan]

27 minutes ago, poorboysrev said:

Bree's, Rodgers, and Brady all 3 have better weapons than us and it's not even close.  Not to mention their playcalling and schemes/coaching on offense are better.

The Saints for sure. I remember thinking during the playoff game that not one of our receivers on the field (except Olsen) would even make the Saints roster. Their number 3 & 4 guys are better than Funchess, injured or not. That’s a fact. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, OriginalPantherDan said:

The Saints for sure. I remember thinking during the playoff game that not one of our receivers on the field (except Olsen) would even make the Saints roster. Their number 3 & 4 guys are better than Funchess, injured or not. That’s a fact. 

Those dudes caught EVERYTHING in that game. Even when the coverage was good and the throw wasn't all that great... catch.

[Darvinsun]

The only way a QB can make a wr good is to put the ball in a place where he wr can catch the ball 30% 40 goes to wr ability,  30 is playcalling and design. You can be a great Qb but if your wr are porous it will give you what Cams stats say..Not to mention Offensive coordinator who does not have a play design that is taylored to help the the wr and Qb. Nor calls the right plays 50% of the time ..This is where inconsistency shows with Cam and the wr. We first need an OC that knows what the hell he is doing the rest will follow.

 

[KillerKat]

Always that 1 retard that wants to blame Cam yet can't see the obvious poo he's been forced to work with.

[Archimedes]

Terrible metric to use.  "Tight window" without controlling for distance is going to favor QB's that throw a lot of quick slants, outs, etc, where the DB would be within a yard, but the QB would still have a high percentage pass.  A lot of Cam's tight window passes were downfield by design (of sending big possession receivers downfield on plays that take 5 seconds to develop).