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Every GM Drafting rankings over thier tenure


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"Interesting" isn't the first word I'd use :)

Two of the guys actually ranked above Hurney (former Chargers GM AJ Smith and former Cardinals GM Rod Graves) were let go by the teams that employed them.

Also, by whatever metric this guy is using, Smith and Graves along with Hurney and Bill Polian are better drafters than Ravens GM Ozzie Newsome and Steelers GM Kevin Colbert.

Even among the guys that favor Hurney over Gettleman, you'd have to go to a serious extreme to try to push that argument.

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24 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

"Interesting" isn't the first word I'd use :)

Two of the guys actually ranked above Hurney (former Chargers GM AJ Smith and former Cardinals GM Rod Graves) were let go by the teams that employed them.

Also, by whatever metric this guy is using, Smith and Graves along with Hurney and Bill Polian are better drafters than Ravens GM Ozzie Newsome and Steelers GM Kevin Colbert.

Even among the guys that favor Hurney over Gettleman, you'd have to go to a serious extreme to try to push that argument.

No. Your reading the chart incorrectly. Read the blue to the right. Ozzy is 2nd in total av. He's just bad in AVG They are separated by Average and Total AV

For anyone not knowing what AV is

Approximate Value (AV) method is an attempt to put a single number on the seasonal value of a player at any position from any year

AV is not meant to be a be-all end-all metric. Football stat lines just do not come close to capturing all the contributions of a player the way they do in baseball and basketball. If one player is a 16 and another is a 14, we can't be very confident that the 16AV player actually had a better season than the 14AV player. But I am pretty confident that the collection of all players with 16AV played better, as an entire group, than the collection of all players with 14AV."

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19 minutes ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

No. Your reading the chart incorrectly. Read the blue to the right. Ozzy is 2nd in total av. He's just bad in AVG They are separated by Average and Total AV

For anyone not knowing what AV is

Approximate Value (AV) method is an attempt to put a single number on the seasonal value of a player at any position from any year

AV is not meant to be a be-all end-all metric. Football stat lines just do not come close to capturing all the contributions of a player the way they do in baseball and basketball. If one player is a 16 and another is a 14, we can't be very confident that the 16AV player actually had a better season than the 14AV player. But I am pretty confident that the collection of all players with 16AV played better, as an entire group, than the collection of all players with 14AV."

If I sort by that column, Mike Brown and Jerry Jones are better drafters than Hurney while guys like Hurney, Smith, Graves and Mickey Loomis rank higher than guys whose teams won Super Bowls. Heck, if you go down the list he's got Matt Millen ranked better than John Elway.

And Belichick as the top drafter?  Top as an overall GM perhaps but some of Belichick's drafts are awful.

Sorry, but this is a tad too "PFF" for me.

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6 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

If I sort by that column, Mike Brown and Jerry Jones are better drafters than Hurney while guys like Hurney, Smith, Graves and Mickey Loomis rank higher than guys whose teams won Super Bowls. Heck, if you go down the list he's got Matt Millen ranked better than John Elway.

And Belichick as the top drafter?  Top as an overall GM perhaps but some of Belichick's drafts are awful.

Sorry, but this is a tad too "PFF" for me.

Loomis did win a Super Bowl, for the record.

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Here is something looking at more recent drafts

Last 5 years, not including 2017.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/04/nfl-draft-performance-grades-best-drafting-teams-picks-classes-2012-2016

#1 Seattle

#2 Carolina 

This includes Hurney's 2012 draft, which is our best in the last 5 years.  But Hurney also has two of our worst 3 picks over that time, Adams and Silatou.  Tampa is 11th, Atlanta is 12th, while the Aints are 15th.  Of course, if you include this years picks, I imagine New Orleans would move up quite a bit.  

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