Deeper look at who might be available at 24

[top dawg]

4 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Cb is still a need, just because we have bodies at cb doesn’t mean we are good at cb 

Ditto: WR

D.J. Moore may end up being the best wide receiver in this draft class. 

I'm on the Moore Express @thomas96.

I also like Gallup. Everyone is talking Ridley, but Moore has higher upside. You heard it here first.

[t96]

4 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Ditto: WR

D.J. Moore may end up being the best wide receiver in this draft class. 

I'm on the Moore Express @thomas96.

I also like Gallup. Everyone is talking Ridley, but Moore has higher upside. You heard it here first.

I like Moore. Not at 24 but in the 2nd definitely. And I do like Gallup too. He and Washington are guys I've had my eye on.  But Ridley is the guy in this draft. If he's there at 24 you run to the podium with his name on the card as fast as your nippleshorts can take you. You can argue Moore has higher upside but I think it's pretty close. Either way, Ridley's floor is way higher and I think he's a #1 from day one. Moore is too raw for us to consider at 24 in my opinion. No matter who we take at 24 he needs to be a day one immediate impact player, and I don't think Moore, or any WR other than Ridley, fits that bill.

[Cpt slay a ho]

39 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Ditto: WR

D.J. Moore may end up being the best wide receiver in this draft class. 

I'm on the Moore Express @thomas96.

I also like Gallup. Everyone is talking Ridley, but Moore has higher upside. You heard it here first.

I agree,same concept for WR,a guy like Ridley or Moore falls to ya in he 1st or 2nd no choice but to draft them 

[Khyber53]

I think we'll go with Connor Williams (LT) for the first round and follow up with Wake Forest's safety Jessie Bates in the second, if he is still there.

[Ace_Aladdin]

13 hours ago, panther4life said:

There seem's to be a consensus of roughly 14 players that never make it to pick 24 in most mock drafts found online. Outside of these players every one else seems to slip to us in a fair amount of mocks. 

• 4 QB'S, Darnold,Allen,Rosen and Mayfield.
• 3 DB'S Derwin James, Denzel Ward and Minka Fitzpatrick
• 2 DE's, Chubb and Marcus Davenport
• 2 LB'S Roquan Smith and Tremaine Edmunds
• 1 RB, Barkley
• 1 G, Nelson
• 1 DT, Vita Vea

History over the last 4 draft's bears out like this. 

On average 3.75 WR'S  and 3.75 offensive tackles have gone in the top 23 picks. The above list does not list any receivers or Offensive tackles.

History also shows an average of 3 DE's and LB's going before 24. There are only of  2 of each of those positions above.

Lastly that list is just .75 short of the average of 3.75 DB's taken in the first 23 over the last 4 years.  Of the positions not listed above only TE (3) and Center (1) have cracked the top 23 over the past 4 years. So it stands to reason that there may be a bigger run on WR'S, Tackles,DE's,LB'S and DB'S. It's just hard to predict what those names may be. Its also plausible a TE or Center could squeeze their way into there or maybe even another RB (they've averaged 1.25 a year in this time frame).

To take it a step further, heres the draft order of teams 15-23  in the 18 draft and what they used their 1st rounder on last year.

• 15 Cardinals, Hasson Reddick LB
• 16 Ravens,Marlon Humphrey CB
• 17 Chargers, Mike Williams WR
• 18 Seahawks, No 1st round pick
• 19 Cowboys, Taco Charlton DE
• 20 Lions, Jarrad Davis LB
• 21 Bengals, John Ross WR
• 22 Bills, Tre'Davious White CB
• 23 Rams, NO First round pick.

 

• I could see the Cardinals in the hunt for a DB  with the loss of Matthieu. 
• The Ravens need some serious help to their WR core as well. They lost Wallace and Maclin. Picked up Crabtree and John Brown but thats about all they have.
• Not sure what the direction the chargers will go but they seem to be stacked at DE,CB, AND WR, all positions that would interest us.
• With the departure's of Sherman, Bennett and Richardson, the Seahawks needs seem pretty similar to ours. 
• The cowboy's biggest need in common with us seems to be safety. 
• Lion's have holes everywhere except WR or QB, so I feel like they could go any direction outside of those 2 positions.
• Bengal's, another team unlikely to go after WR, after drafting Ross in the top 10 and already having Green.
• Bill's may eventually package that pick to go get a QB, however if they stay there, they could be looking for a CB OR WR as well.
• The Rams are def. all set at corner and DT after aggresively attacking both positions this offseason. They obviously have interest in replacing Watkins, since they have inquired about him and they did trade DE Robert Quinn this year too. 

All that being said its surely looking like we will have a BPA decision to make between O-line, WR, CB and DE as those positions seem likely to hold the most value at 24 and align with our current set of needs. 

Again it gets real murky after the top 14 consensus players get selected on who might make it to 23. Here's a list of 10 names that may be of interest and stand a chance to make it to us and at least 1 of them should be available.

1. Hayden Hurst TE
2. Calvin Ridley WR
3. Jaire Alexander CB
4.  Will Hernandez    OG
5. Isiah Wynn OG
6. Christian Kirk WR
7. Harold Landry DE
8. Sam Hubbard DE
9. Justin Reid Safety (He's Jordan Rodrique's prediction at the moment).
10. Any RB not named Barkley (Darin Gantt predicted Nick Chubb at 24 on WFNZ today)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Corrected

[stirs]

2 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

I think we'll go with Connor Williams (LT) for the first round and follow up with Wake Forest's safety Jessie Bates in the second, if he is still there.

saw that one too

http://thehuddlereport.com/mock.Jonathan.shtml

[Khyber53]

2 minutes ago, stirs said:

saw that one too

http://thehuddlereport.com/mock.Jonathan.shtml

Cool, I hadn't seen that yet. My completely unscientific process picked those guys out. Maybe I should go semi-pro?

[stirs]

1 minute ago, Khyber53 said:

Cool, I hadn't seen that yet. My completely unscientific process picked those guys out. Maybe I should go semi-pro?

yep, now you know your calling

[grimesgoat]

1 hour ago, Khyber53 said:

I think we'll go with Connor Williams (LT) for the first round and follow up with Wake Forest's safety Jessie Bates in the second, if he is still there.

You know, I was all on the CB/G train, but now I'm hearing Moton is more a G than T.  I'm still for picking Josh Jackson if he falls to us but...

If Williams plays well enough to get a monster contract and Kalil continues to be mediocre, we will probably need a starting T next year.  I hate to draft a guy in the first that may not play at all, but T may be a huge need next year and rookie T's are usually pretty horrible (even 1st rounders).

The only obvious hole we have where a first rounder should beat out our current guy is S.  My favorite is Reid, but we may be able to slide back a few spots and still get him if we decide we have to have a starter with our 1st.

 

[top dawg]

9 hours ago, thomas96 said:

I like Moore. Not at 24 but in the 2nd definitely. And I do like Gallup too. He and Washington are guys I've had my eye on.  But Ridley is the guy in this draft. If he's there at 24 you run to the podium with his name on the card as fast as your nippleshorts can take you. You can argue Moore has higher upside but I think it's pretty close. Either way, Ridley's floor is way higher and I think he's a #1 from day one. Moore is too raw for us to consider at 24 in my opinion. No matter who we take at 24 he needs to be a day one immediate impact player, and I don't think Moore, or any WR other than Ridley, fits that bill.

A few things.

First: I don't know that I'm necessarily going to pass on a receiver with a higher ceiling in favor of one that has a higher floor. 

Secondly, some are giving Moore more credit than you seem to be giving him. For example, Matt Harmon (the Reception Perception dude) advised in an article that I read recently to not be surprised if Moore is actually the first receiver taken. I don't necessarily think Moore is as raw as you think. He needs to bone up on his routes run to convince people that he can consistently play on the outside, but he has good hands, is good at YAC, and creates separation. He is devastating on the curl route, which consequently is the route most run in the pros according to Harmon. As an aside, remember Norv said something to the effect that he would let people do what they do well and keep doing it.

Third, I'm not so sure that Ridley is a quintessential number 1. I see him more as an Amari Cooper or Davante Parker type, which is good, but not necessarily a go-to guy every week. He has been comped to Greg Jennings. I think he has the potential to be a playmaker anywhere, and may indeed become the number 1 guy here if we were to draft him, but don't downplay Funchess. But I don't even think we necessarily need a WR1 as much as we need another legit target for Cam to throw darts at.

 

[trueblade]

16 hours ago, panther4life said:

it gets real murky after the top 14 consensus players get selected on who might make it to 23. Here's a list of 10 names that may be of interest and stand a chance to make it to us and at least 1 of them should be available.

1. Calvin Ridley WR
2. Josh Jackson CB
3. Jaire Alexander CB
4. Isiah Wynn      OG
5. Will Hernandez OG
6. Christian Kirk WR
7. Harold Landry DE
8. Sam Hubbard DE
9. Justin Reid Safety (He's Jordan Rodrique's prediction at the moment).
10. Any RB not named Barkley (Darin Gantt predicted Nick Chubb at 24 on WFNZ today)

I'd take Daniels (C - Iowa) over Wynn, but either Daniels or Hernandez would be cool.

[piversen]

I am not usually a proponent of trading back, but this may be a year to at least consider it. This requires a trading partner who LOVES a particular player available at 24, and a strong board left for our areas of need....CB, S, RB, OL, TE,and/or DE.  

Here are a few possibilities.....

We give Clev 24 and 88....they give us 33, 64, and 114.

We give Indy 24 and 85.......they give us 36 and 49.

We give NE(Belichick alert!!!) 24 and 88.......they give us 31, 63, and 136.

If we can increase first 2 round picks from 2 to 3, and maybe pick up a later rounder, we should at least look.

BTW.....I am a Canadian Pantherfan, and not an expert. If you are going to call me an idiot and then a REALLY bad name, please move along....nothing to see here.......GO PANTHERS!!!!!

 

[stirs]

19 minutes ago, piversen said:

I am not usually a proponent of trading back, but this may be a year to at least consider it. This requires a trading partner who LOVES a particular player available at 24, and a strong board left for our areas of need....CB, S, RB, OL, TE,and/or DE.  

Here are a few possibilities.....

We give Clev 24 and 88....they give us 33, 64, and 114.

We give Indy 24 and 85.......they give us 36 and 49.

We give NE(Belichick alert!!!) 24 and 88.......they give us 31, 63, and 136.

If we can increase first 2 round picks from 2 to 3, and maybe pick up a later rounder, we should at least look.

BTW.....I am a Canadian Pantherfan, and not an expert. If you are going to call me an idiot and then a REALLY bad name, please move along....nothing to see here.......GO PANTHERS!!!!!

 

Dream scenario

 

Cleveland takes Chubb and pairs him with Garrett from last season to make a potential nightmare for NFC North opponents.

Cleveland takes Barkley to round out a group of playmakers that rival most any team out there.

 

They trade back into the 1st to get in front of Pittsburgh to get Mason Rudolph who can sit behind Tyrod Taylor for a season or two to get accustomed to the NFL

They trade with the Panthers for 33 rd pick and Emanuel Ogbah who will no longer get playing time with the 2 superstar DE's

[DeeJay]

18 hours ago, joeyxfresco said:

Will Hernandez is the obvious choice if he’s available 

Yes!!! I will flip if carolina gets this UTEP guy! he's a bad ass