How many more years do you think Rivera should get?

[BrianS]

How is this even a question?  Is he the best coach in the league year in, year out, without question?  No, he isn't.  But look at it from a perspective of hiring a coach . . . who would you even hire that is PROVEN better . . . I mean, who?

His loyalty to Shula is really the only thing you can say was misguided.  A better gameplan on that side of the ball is really the only reason we don't have a Lombardi in the cabinet right now.

RR is a really good coach.  Best coach in franchise history and it's not even close.  We go in to every year with a chance, which is more than most teams can say.  Two of his assistants are now head coaches in their own right. 

Changing our HC isn't going to win us a Super Bowl.  We need players, which comes down to our GM.

 

[RetiredCollegeCoach]

My overall judgment of Rivera depends a lot on how he handles the QB situation. Does he have the guts to say "good enough is not good enough" and find this team an elite QB - or does he stick with what's comfortable, familiar, and never going to win the Super Bowl?

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, TheRumGone said:

We better be damn sure we have a better replacement because with all of Rivera’s flaws he’s still one of the better coaches in the league. We could do a whole lot worse.

I've never been a fan of the whole "hang on to the guy who's okay to good just because the next guy could be bad" way of thinking. 

There are plenty of coaches who've shown they're good enough to take you a good ways down the road but not good enough to get to the actual destination.  Hanging on to guys like that is an exercise in futility.

With that said, I'm "day to day" with Rivera right now.  He conquered his loyalty issue long enough to dump Shula and Dorsey, so now I want to see what a Rivera team without those two looks like. 

[Cyberjag]

52 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've never been a fan of the whole "hang on to the guy who's okay to good just because the next guy could be bad" way of thinking. 

There are plenty of coaches who've shown they're good enough to take you a good ways down the road but not good enough to get to the actual destination.  Hanging on to guys like that is an exercise in futility.

With that said, I'm "day to day" with Rivera right now.  He conquered his loyalty issue long enough to dump Shula and Dorsey, so now I want to see what a Rivera team without those two looks like. 

That was Fox's problem, right?  And now it looks like it might be Rivera's.  

I think we need a couple of deep playoff runs or a Super Bowl win to justify keeping him around here past next season.  As I pointed out in the initial post, most Super Bowl winning coaches do so early in their tenure.  If he hasn't done it by now...

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, Cyberjag said:

That was Fox's problem, right?  And now it looks like it might be Rivera's.  

I think we need a couple of deep playoff runs or a Super Bowl win to justify keeping him around here past next season.  As I pointed out in the initial post, most Super Bowl winning coaches do so early in their tenure.  If he hasn't done it by now...

It took Cowher 15 years to win one.  he retired shortly thereafter.

The Steelers are the type of team that'll give a coach 15 years.  I don't really want us to be one.

[Cyberjag]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It took Cowher 15 years to win one.  he retired shortly thereafter.

The Steelers are the type of team that'll give a coach 15 years.  I don't really want us to be one.

It took Cowher 7 seasons to finally miss the playoffs and post a losing (7-9) record too.  Quite a different story when you compare him and Rivera.

[XOBlackxJokerOX]

I actually like Rivera's style of coaching. His defenses have always been top notch (mostly) and he seems to be a "player's coach" from what I gleaned from his tenure thus far. He also has a knack for picking D coordinator's. I just hope he goes back to Riverboat Ron the remainder of his tenure. Conservative RR has been rearing his ugly head as of late. It's hard to come across a good coach, much less one with any consistency.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

only on the huddle do you consider relieving the most winning coach in franchise history and currently on of the best coaches in the in the nfl of his duties.

people complain of newton being dealt a shitty hand since he's been here and how much he's been held back despite his success...

...if you think for two seconds, the same can be said for rivera.

as far as i'm concerned, rivera can be here for the next ten years if he continues producing.

[Riv]

lol.

Impossible question, but if we tank with Norv after year two I think it will be time to move on.

[iamhubby1]

    If Norv, and Cam, can play well together? Rivera may be here for quite a while. We will probably get to see how he coaches when he is starting over with a new QB. That is when the rubber will hit the road. 

 

    Rivera may be here for quite some time. Or not. And I stand by that.

[iamhubby1]

23 minutes ago, Riv said:

lol.

Impossible question, but if we tank with Norv after year two I think it will be time to move on.

 

    Yupperz. If this team fails with Norv. Rivera may be in trouble. If this team succeeds with Norv. Rivera may be here indefinitely. 

[Eazy-E]

I may poo on him every now and again but Ron is a great head coach, even when being a bit too conservative. Riverboat Ron was arguably one of the best coaches in the NFL. I know he hasn't had to coach recently like his job is on the line but I wish he would find a nice middle ground. No more punting on the 35 yard line and kneeling before the half with all of your timeouts.

[tiger7_88]

7 hours ago, Cyberjag said:

I know we've been to the Super Bowl.  I recognize that Rivera is the most successful coach in Panthers history.  He's been here for seven seasons already, with a legitimate franchise quarterback and a perennially good defense.  Overall record is 64-47-1.  The guy he replaced was a regular Jeff Fisher, punctuating a perpetual 7-9 run with a few really good years.  Under Fox, we were always good enough to be respectable, never good enough to win it all.  Is this where we're headed with Rivera?

Of the Super Bowl winning coaches in the last 20 years, only one Super Bowl winning coach has been with a team this long who hasn't won already, Bill Cowher (who took a whopping 14 years for his big game, but won it the year after he got a legit franchise !B).  The next closest coaches all won in year five--Tony Dungy, John Harbaugh and Mike McCarthey.

Say we go 10-6 for the next 3-4 years and our core starts aging out.  Would you still have faith in Rivera to eventually deliver a title? Or do you think he should be replaced if he doesn't deliver one in X years?

Counting this coming season?

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[iamhubby1]

2 minutes ago, bull123 said:

Hope so...Coach Ron is solid...losing Olson last year, and the young guys we were counting on hurts us bad...and gettleman hosed us with josh and that was a killer

 

    I like the way this team is set up. For the time being anywho. Give us a decent, to good, to great draft, and this team can be really good. I truly believe if Ron, and Norv could have connected earlier, we would have had much more success. 

 

    The 2 major gripes I have in the Rivera era are. 1. Sticking with Shula far too long. 2. How that Josh thingy worked out. Hopefully, those 2 miscues are in our rear view mirror, and better things are ahead.

 

    IMO, injuries the last couple years were a yuge hinderence. If we can stay healthy this year? I think we can scare folks. I really do.