Ron Rivera envisions 200 carries for Christian McCaffrey

[Pimpdaddy]

....so 12.5 carries a game...3 per qtr...Riv really going out on a limb.

[The Huddler]

Tbh Shula had an over complicated runs cheme where it either worked like a charm or it was a completly clogged toilet. 

 

Give CMC more consistent carries and a more consistent scheme and youl see what a elusive patient back can do 

[TheSpecialJuan]

It's all about my Riverbloat Ron

[SmokinwithWilly]

2 hours ago, Toomers said:

   What about those numbers is incorrect? And I’ve seen every snap Bells career and CMC has shown nothing to compare to Bell running from the backfield. Where are all these plays(in the NFL) that show CMC is anything similar to Bell? Bell has numerous carries where he has to deal with defenders in the backfield. The difference is, Bell can get out of some of those situations. 

I've watched a lot of Bell and CMC. The thing I notice most is they both can lean one way and their ankles break a different way before their body moves so a defender is off balance and can't make the tackle correctly. Bell runs through the arm tackles, CMC not so much last year. CMC is no Bell right now, but with the right coaching, he can become that elusive runner that is hard to bring down. 

[Floppin]

5 hours ago, Toomers said:

   What about those numbers is incorrect? And I’ve seen every snap Bells career and CMC has shown nothing to compare to Bell running from the backfield. Where are all these plays(in the NFL) that show CMC is anything similar to Bell? Bell has numerous carries where he has to deal with defenders in the backfield. The difference is, Bell can get out of some of those situations. 

Well that math would put CMC at 197 lbs. Hes at about 210 currently. So, again, your math sucks. Also, I said their running styles are similar. They are. Neither are full steam ahead north/south runners. They move behind the line waiting for the hole to develop and then hit it hard. To date Bell is infinitely better at breaking contact behind the line but that doesn't change the style comparison.

[tiger7_88]

6 hours ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Panthers coach Ron Rivera told ESPN.com he wouldn’t be surprised if McCaffrey reached 200 carries this season. That matches what Rivera said in June, when he said he’s looking forward to seeing McCaffrey run between the tackles more, as he did in college.

McCaffrey is looking bigger and stronger (and sexier) this offseason, which might help him carry a bigger load. Although C.J. Anderson has arrived and will take over some of the running workload, McCaffrey is likely to be the starting running back.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

Is this the same Ron Rivera who proclaimed the Evolution of the Offense in 2017?

Ron Rivera *always* talks then Ron Rivera *always* reverts back to his Old School Book and Security Blanket.

[Snake]

5 hours ago, thefuzz said:

If we can't scheme around having a decent G, when we have a franchise QB, tons of talent on offense, and a good to great defense, then we don't deserve to win games.

There aren't many teams who pay their G's like we paid Trai, and we certainly couldn't have afforded the Norwell contract..as much as I would have liked him to stay.  It was pay Trai or pay Norwell, and we chose Trai.  (likely the wrong choice if I'm being honest)

We are not scheming around a Guard. We are scheming around the more than likely duo of M. Kalil and Amini. Not a small task. Our line gets zero push and that was with Norwell actually punching holes in his lane. Take him away and there is no way we give McCaffrey 200 touches and win. 

[Toomers]

1 hour ago, Floppin said:

Well that math would put CMC at 197 lbs. Hes at about 210 currently. So, again, your math sucks. Also, I said their running styles are similar. They are. Neither are full steam ahead north/south runners. They move behind the line waiting for the hole to develop and then hit it hard. To date Bell is infinitely better at breaking contact behind the line but that doesn't change the style comparison.

  I stated 15-20 lbs. Which is what 202 compared to 217-222 range Bell plays at. When I see a scale that reads 210 with CMC standing on it, during the season, I’ll buy he weighs that much. And if he did put on that much, how will it effect his agility. There are many players who can make a cut like Bell or CMC. Doesn’t mean they are all comparable to both or either one. When CMC can run through a hand tackle at the LOS, then it will matter. Until then, He can claim to weigh whatever he wants. I hope he becomes a beast and takes the majority of the touches. But that sure hasn’t been the case, so far. Where are these plays that he looks similar on? 

  The only RB I be ever seen run with a similar style, power and agility to Bell is Kerryon Johnson last year at Auburn. And until he can do the same in the NFL, it means nothing. Just because CMC is not really comparable to the best( and most unique) RB in the NFL, doesn’t mean he isn’t any good or can’t succeed. 

[Floppin]

4 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  I stated 15-20 lbs. Which is what 202 compared to 217-222 range Bell plays at. When I see a scale that reads 210 with CMC standing on it, during the season, I’ll buy he weighs that much. And if he did put on that much, how will it effect his agility. There are many players who can make a cut like Bell or CMC. Doesn’t mean they are all comparable to both or either one. When CMC can run through a hand tackle at the LOS, then it will matter. Until then, He can claim to weigh whatever he wants. I hope he becomes a beast and takes the majority of the touches. But that sure hasn’t been the case, so far. Where are these plays that he looks similar on? 

  The only RB I be ever seen run with a similar style, power and agility to Bell is Kerryon Johnson last year at Auburn. And until he can do the same in the NFL, it means nothing. Just because CMC is not really comparable to the best( and most unique) RB in the NFL, doesn’t mean he isn’t any good or can’t succeed. 

I think you're arguing semantics. People can compare players stylistically without implying that they are defacto twins in nature. They run with a similar style, this doesn't denote that I think CMC has or will be as productive as Bell.

[Toomers]

36 minutes ago, Floppin said:

I think you're arguing semantics. People care compare players stylistically without implying that they are defacto twins in nature. They run with a similar style, this doesn't denote that I think CMC has or will be as productive as Bell.

 I never thought you did. And my OP was aimed at many, not anyone specific, who have tried to make this comparison. At least you made some credible points. Most times people just hit and run with this statement. 

  Me, I just don’t see it. And this is something that I have not seen from CMC yet ,but I feel should be his biggest strength as a RB. And doesn’t require him getting bigger. When the hole isn’t there, BOUNCE. Be prepared for it to the point he should want that to be there. And with his short area quickness, he should have advantage on almost any player, and trying to break tackles of CBs and Ss, not  DTs, can’t hurt. Which should be greatly improved by getting the damn Safeties out of the box on every play. The speed(and health) at WR should take care of a lot of that. You add this to his game(and that involves giving him carries, some up the middle to keep DEFs honest) and it would be huge for him and the OFF. Play to his strengths. I don’t want him pounding up the middle 12-15 times a game. 5 at most and then 12-15 off-tackle and outside. People want to make him a player he’s not. That doesn’t mean I don’t think there can be a heck of a player if used correctly. 

   For all that Kamara did(please no debate, just an example) his most impressive runs to me were the simple off-tackle run he took the distance. And he always took care of the unblocked player to turn a 8yd to 50+. We have to get him to the spot on the field, because he can make a guy miss, no doubt. I just don’t think he looked for it enough last year. But a year can make a big difference, and I could see the game slowing down for him. 

[Toomers]

33 minutes ago, stbugs said:

While Kamara was a stud last year, he had 1 play over 40 yards. Plenty of 20 and 30 yarders, but there's no need to go all Paul Bunyon with him.

 I apologize. Him running over Coleman just must have kept repeating itself to me. As I said, he was an example. I could have named quite few RBs who did the same thing. We (and he) have to do a better job getting him to that point. 

[FugAllY'all]

Meh, these things tend to work themselves out. If we do it, and it works, and we're winning games then great! There is no better way to win football games then running ball, the Jaguars almost got to the Super Bowl last year just playing smash mouth football. If it doesn't work, then we'll end up playing from behind a lot and having to throw the ball to catch up, in which case McCaffrey certainly will never reach 200 carries.

[Toomers]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

Lol. No worries. It reminded me of how every single player talked about seems to run 4.4 40s.

I assume you are talking about McCaffery and while yes we do, he showed a lot more promise in the second half and playoff game. Kamara was an anomaly not a good example of a typical rookie. That’s why his results were historic. I think best ever for yards per touch or something like that. That said McCaffery outplayed him by a wide margin in the playoff game.

Anyway, I watched every game and IMHO, there was a clearly different player in the second half of the season. He was making more people miss, had a much better rushing average (4.7 ypc) and even blew by the NO D for a long TD which in the huddle was something some people said he couldn’t even do.

Maybe Kamara and Hunt have better careers but that doesn’t mean CMC can’t be better or be a stud for us. I liked him a lot and saw a real improvement that made me glad we have him. 

 Don’t disagree. Which is why I didn’t want the Kamara/CMC debate...lol.

What did you think of the rest? About us(and him) doing a better job of getting to a place where he can break plays? 

 

[ChibCU]

14 hours ago, Toomers said:

And if he did put on that much, how will it effect his agility.

Let's rehash this debate!