Panthers one of 5 teams in the decline??

[therealmjl]

Just now, TheCasillas said:

Yikes, simmer down my friend. I should of added the parentheses, but Tight Ends tend to stick to their prime longer than other skill positions. Olsen has about 3 good years left if you look at history for All Pro tight ends. 

Each position is different. Cam has about 3-4 years left of good football if he adapts his game to his age. KK is 29 as well, and DT's tend to lose their muster at 31-33 range. MLB's as of recent begin to decline at 30. 

So I would't say I am too far off. As I said before, if we are looking at a 3-4 year outlook - Panthers are on the decline. Now is the time.

I haven’t simmered up. I just think it was a stupid thing to say.

[hepcat]

I mean considering the Panthers have never had back to back winning seasons this isn't exactly a hot take. Low hanging fruit fluff article is a waste of time.

[TheCasillas]

2 minutes ago, mjligon said:

I haven’t simmered up. I just think it was a stupid thing to say.

That's fine. We will just agree to disagree  I am not offended.

[therealmjl]

Just now, TheCasillas said:

That's fine. We will just agree to disagree  I am not offended.

I choose to disagree to agree.

[Yaboychris28]

I’m just scared to death of our O-line. Could single handedly destroy our chance at anything 

[TheCasillas]

1 minute ago, mjligon said:

I choose to disagree to agree.

Disagree to Agree

What you say when you are in the middle of an argument and realize you are both saying the same thing in different ways.

 

[therealmjl]

Just now, TheCasillas said:

Disagree to Agree

What you say when you are in the middle of an argument and realize you are both saying the same thing in different ways.

 

[TheCasillas]

Just now, Yaboychris28 said:

I’m just scared to death of our O-line. Could single handedly destroy our chance at anything 

I can align with you here, but we have done well with worse. I think our coaching staff has the ability to adapt our offense to the weaknesses.

[jtm]

While this might not be fair, it is reality with the Carolina Panthers until something changes.  Our D will be stout again this year and keep us in just about every game and the rest will fall on Cam.  If Cam has a good year, we'll be scary good and if doesn't, we'll be average to below average.  Until I see better coaching and game planning out of the Panthers, this is what I expect and why I really don't get worked up about injuries other than injuries to Cam or Luke.  

[Ricky Spanish]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

The difference is you are going into the season expecting the worse with a negative attitude, either because you have been disappointed by the Panthers before and are afraid to hope for the best to get dissapointed again or like being the negative contrarian.  I on the other am going in optimistically hoping for the best and riding the train until the very last stop. I like being positive and find it is a much better way to live my life despite the constant struggles and daily reminders that if life is a bowl of cherries you still end up at times with the pits. It can be both half empty or half full.  I prefer half full. I invite you to move away from the dark side into the light.

Nah man, I'm not explaining myself well, I'm actually more optimistic about this year (even year withstanding) than I have been in years past. IF we stay healthy, I think we have a shot to make a decent run into the playoffs. 

I'm simply saying there are definitely arguments to be made that we are on the decline, whether people want to acknowledge them or not.

[falconidae]

Barnwell didn't say decline, he said win fewer games. If the panthers win 10 games next year, they've won fewer games and he is correct.

Main reason Barnwell is saying that is because he doesn't expect them to win all the close games this year.

Panthers went 7-1 in games decided by a TD or less, in 2016, they were 2-6, in 2015, they were 6-1.

"Overall, the Panthers are 26-24 in games decided by seven points or fewer. [since 2011] They don't gain or lose the ability to pull out the close ones from year to year. They're not subject to the gambler's fallacy of being "due" for a good or bad year. For whatever reason, they've operated at the extremes to a greater reason than any other team over the course of 50 close games. The most likely explanation for that is randomness, and the best projection for the Panthers in close games next year would be for Rivera's team to win 50 percent of the time."

[RumHam]

Did you all miss that Kalil video yesterday from practice? He's not going to have any help this year especially if Amini is starting. Then there's the secondary which is now worse.

[panthers55]

2 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Nah man, I'm not explaining myself well, I'm actually more optimistic about this year (even year withstanding) than I have been in years past. IF we stay healthy, I think we have a shot to make a decent run into the playoffs. 

I'm simply saying there are definitely arguments to be made that we are on the decline, whether people want to acknowledge them or not.

I suppose you feel compelled to voice the negative arguments because you don't think we are aware of them or not. Trust me you only have to read a dozen different sources to read how we are going to go backwards. But I choose to think positively. There will be plenty of time to complain and be negative if the season doesn't go well. Why go into that mode in August before the regular season even starts? That is my complaint about the negative posts on this site.

 

[panthers55]

11 minutes ago, falconidae said:

Barnwell didn't say decline, he said win fewer games. If the panthers win 10 games next year, they've won fewer games and he is correct.

Main reason Barnwell is saying that is because he doesn't expect them to win all the close games this year.

Panthers went 7-1 in games decided by a TD or less, in 2016, they were 2-6, in 2015, they were 6-1.

"Overall, the Panthers are 26-24 in games decided by seven points or fewer. [since 2011] They don't gain or lose the ability to pull out the close ones from year to year. They're not subject to the gambler's fallacy of being "due" for a good or bad year. For whatever reason, they've operated at the extremes to a greater reason than any other team over the course of 50 close games. The most likely explanation for that is randomness, and the best projection for the Panthers in close games next year would be for Rivera's team to win 50 percent of the time."

Actually the 50/50 argument is just as falatious as saying 6-1 or 2-6 will repeat themselves. First of all you assume randomization and that isn't accurate. The reason we won the close ones last year and lost them in 2016 wasn't a random event due to chance but tied to the way we played and finished. So how we finish this year won't be due to fate or chance but how we play and finish this year. So your argument like the article holds no water at all. Winning and losing isn't due to chance and teams competing with other most often don't have an equal chance of winning. So the whole 26-24 argument is irrelevant and not predictive simply descriptive of the past which has little bearing on the present or future.