The Heiarchy: The PANTHERS pride of weapons

[Darvinsun]

2 hours ago, Toomers said:

I forgot Clark. Knew there was someone. But Reid has made as many mistakes as good plays, so far. But as I said, he's going to do well. But he was necessary because you spent a 3rd on a Safety that can't play ahead of Colin Jones. Could have easily had his brother. I said he did well late in FA. But Poe is nowhere near worth his contract. The DBs got hurt. Not his fault. I'm guessing we got lucky on Breeland. Wright was a good one. Sirles sucked. 

   So we have an overpaid DT

   2 injured DBs 

   A RB that hasn't done anything yet

   A Safety that has been inconsistent(understandably)

   A good slot WR value

  A viable LT who hasn't gotten Cam killed(HUGE PROPS)

  CMC, Samuel, and Moton(on his way to being the 4th All-Pro OL DG brought us) Think they aren't doing anything?

  And now we are going to use W-L records? Seriously? Something you and every Hurney apologist have cried, meant nothing for 5 years? That the route you want to take? Give Hurney credit for last year? Given the logic on here, Hurney shouldn't get credit for 4-5 years. 

23-41-- 2009-12  and salary cap , no playoffs

51- 28-1-- 2013- 17 4 playoffs, 3 DIV. One SB appearrance. 

When you want to talk about these numbers, I'm ready.

 

   

Man has done good not perfect but good. Better than DG  but DG did draft us some good players as well. He made some mistakes and Hurney has and will again. As long as the good out weigh the bad thats all that matters. I hate Norman isn' t here. We have now found him in Donte.

[Toomers]

5 minutes ago, Darvinsun said:

Man has done good not perfect but good. Better than DG  but DG did draft us some good players as well. He made some mistakes and Hurney has and will again. As long as the good out weigh the bad thats all that matters. I hate Norman isn' t here. We have now found him in Donte.

Define better? By what standard? 

[Diehardpanther02]

8 hours ago, Asurfaholic said:

No hierarchy is complete without cam.

 

i know you covered it, but he isn’t just a quarterback who touches the ball every snap, he is is indeed a weapon of the highest tier in a ranking of of our weapons.

The beginning of the post and the title the post is referring to Cam as the leader of these cats. He is not listed because when it comes down to it he's the guy who will be making the plays in crunch time. That part is a given. We are focusing on his pride.

[Diehardpanther02]

6 hours ago, tondi said:

Great comments but only lions live in prides as pretty much all other big cats are solitary creatures. 

I was waiting for this. Lol I was mainly referring to Lions, but through in other cats to align with a life of solitude for the panther.  Just my own spin.

[Icege]

11 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

Hurney gave Cam offensive weapons to lean on for his first 3 seasons, and he was improving each year. Then from 2014 to 2017 he was stripped of his weapons and forced to make most of the key plays himself outside of a blanketed Greg Olsen. Now, Hurney has given Cam the weapons he needed and we can see a dramatic improvement from week to week. Cam has matured as a QB and he trusts his receivers again. Something I have not seen since 2013.

This narrative is misleading.

2014: KB is drafted in the first, Trai in the 3rd. KB fizzled out but no denying before the injury he was trending up. Trai is now a 3-time Pro Bowler. He also brought in a 3rd player for the offense: Andrew Norwell. Philly Brown, though not as strong of a pick up as the previously mentioned, was also found as a UDFA. Cotchery, old as he was, I think was a good veteran signing. Dickson too, though not old.

2015: Funchess drafted, Daryl William's drafted, Byrd undrafted. Ginn and Oher brought in from free agency. Oh yea, CAP drafted as well I guess.

2016: Legit didn't get poo for offense. Awful offseason. I will never argue this. Defense was in luxury/need mode all at once. Doo doo. Idk if as bad as the 2010 offseason where we were dumping vets and depth in prep for the lockout with Fox in a lame duck contract year. Best part about that offseason was the pre-domestic violence Greg Hardy in the 5th. They're up there together though pretty high. Wait, 2016 was when we signed Matt Kalil. Ew... 

2017: CMC, Samuel, Moton, Armah. Van Roten too. 

Playoffs made in 3 of those 4 seasons, including 2 divisional titles and a Super Bowl appearance.

He was getting weapons and protection except for the season after the SB/MVP season where the offense was high scoring despite losing the #1 WR to start the season to injury. Was expected to make it work with the same crew but replace Cotchery with KB. Oher wasn't expected to effectively be forced into retirement from concussions nor KB be gutter trash. Plus Cam being headhunted all season.

[TheSpecialJuan]

Nice write-up 

[CPantherKing]

11 minutes ago, Icege said:

He was getting weapons and protection except for the season after the SB/MVP season where the offense was high scoring despite losing the #1 WR to start the season to injury. Was expected to make it work with the same crew but replace Cotchery with KB. Oher wasn't expected to effectively be forced into retirement from concussions nor KB be gutter trash. Plus Cam being headhunted all season.

This is not a DG topic. SMH. If you want me to speak to DG, post this in a DG topic and I will speak  to it.

This is about Cam and the weapons he has been so desperately needing.

Unbelievable! The DG craze was so over-hyped that it still carries over into topics that have no mention of him. It's cult like.

I am glad the Panthers have players who can catch again and have huge potential to be franchise players that appear to have a high likelihood of staying past their rookie contracts. Look to a bright future and what may save a core that can lay the foundation for a dynasty over the next 8 to 10 seasons - a dynasty that should have started 4 to 5 seasons ago.

[CPantherKing]

21 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

Nice write-up 

Thank you.

Just want to celebrate the Panthers putting in the pieces for a SB contending offense. The pieces for a SB contending defense have been there since 2012/2013. Just don't want to miss that window.

I get the feeling like the Panthers are sending a message. The coaches are keeping things close to the vest, but they will throw some of the playbook they are hiding out to let the league know the Panthers can bury you when they want to. As the offense keeps improving and showing they can execute, more and more of that playbook will appear until they drop it like a ton of bricks for their final 6 games against the Saints (3 times), Falcons, Rams, and the AFC team in the SB.

[Lumps]

Cam never needed weapons, he just needed a competent Oline.

[Mikey818]

4 minutes ago, Lumps said:

Cam never needed weapons, he just needed a competent Oline.

So his o line is decent now. So if he doesn’t need weapons then if u take cmc olsen Moore and Samuel away we still win and make playoffs??? Because cam does it all? Bull 

[Lumps]

Just now, Mikey818 said:

So his o line is decent now. So if he doesn’t need weapons then if u take cmc olsen Moore and Samuel away we still win and make playoffs??? Because cam does it all? Bull 

Never said that.

See 2015.

Cam is not Ryan. He doesn’t need a Jones.

i don’t even consider him a tier 1 qb, which is funny cause his knob slobbers whined about weapons constantly.

It’s just his style. If the play calling/offense adjust to him, he needs a competent oline long before elite weapons all over the place.

[Shaqil915]

I have my change of pants ready for when Samuel gets fully integrated into the offense as well.

[Diehardpanther02]

On 10/30/2018 at 7:38 PM, CPantherKing said:

Thank you.

Just want to celebrate the Panthers putting in the pieces for a SB contending offense. The pieces for a SB contending defense have been there since 2012/2013. Just don't want to miss that window.

I get the feeling like the Panthers are sending a message. The coaches are keeping things close to the vest, but they will throw some of the playbook they are hiding out to let the league know the Panthers can bury you when they want to. As the offense keeps improving and showing they can execute, more and more of that playbook will appear until they drop it like a ton of bricks for their final 6 games against the Saints (3 times), Falcons, Rams, and the AFC team in the SB

Nice thread

[Pejorative Miscreant]

On 10/30/2018 at 2:55 PM, Diehardpanther02 said:

I was waiting for this. Lol I was mainly referring to Lions, but through in other cats to align with a life of solitude for the panther.  Just my own spin.

 

On 10/30/2018 at 8:13 AM, tondi said:

Great comments but only lions live in prides as pretty much all other big cats are solitary creatures. 

I view it as a “was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor” kind of thread.  I knew where OP was coming from and he was rollin. 

 

All around good thread IMO