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89, Bottom Line, says stop blaming Cam's shoulder


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So, either listen or hate, but Steve Smith is more right than wrong in my opinion when he analyzes football. 

 

"Everybody wants to say 'His shoulder's the reason why he overthrew a six-foot-five wide receiver'. No: His footwork was the reason he overthrew a six-foot-five wide receiver," said Smith. "His footwork was the reason that (he missed Jarius Wright, who was open in the endzone. Or the back-shoulder throw that he threw a million miles per hour to Curtis Samuel. Footwork."

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As I've said recently, although I largely support Cam, and still want to see what he does with what I deem is great protection (at least on his blind side), I'm not going to be an apologist for sloppy footwork, missing reads, and especially bad decisions. 

 

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Cam's footwork obviously isn't as polished as it could be, but I think a lot of his problems with footwork come from a collapsing pocket. Hard to step into a throw when your line is falling back on you, or you're having to tuck and run for the yards yourself. He also has a hurt shoulder. Anyone denying this is part of the problem is delusional. Smitty was the greatest Panther, but last I checked, he's not a doctor. I think his focus on footwork is reasonable, because with a sore shoulder, if you step into your throws, they'll still have more touch on them, but still. There are a number of things going on with Cam, some on him, and some on others. 

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3 minutes ago, leoslayer said:

I really wish the guy would work on it.

 

I just don't think he cares.

 

Of course everytime I point out that his feet and hips are wide open pointed left of the target I'm told I'm an idiot or racist. 

He needs to fix it this offseason. 

Yes he has foot work issues at times, but if you don't see that Cam throwing motion has changed and at times he's not following through with his release I don't know what to tell you

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Just now, leoslayer said:

If someone with the All 22 package had the ability to post misses from behind I think we would see that most misses point to his feet.

Steve's not wrong tho.

It’s funny how with the same footwork he’s been completing those passes all season. He is clearly compensating, but hey let’s throw cam under the bus while we do everything in our power to absolve the moron head coach from blame.

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I think it’s just a habit he’s built over his time playing. A similar situation, I’ve played tennis since I was 10 and I consistently keep an open stance on my forehand and it works most of the time. When I concentrate on it though, I know that I should be lining up my hip. But, sports require a lot of passive muscle control which is where bad habits like that will take over. I feel like having consistent pressure in the pocket is what causes him to revert to this open stance/back foot throw, which I understand completely.

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5 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

bad mechanics could possibly be the reason for bad shoulder

Throwing absolute lasers for 10 years without any power from your legs is sure to tear any shoulder unfortunately. Tbh I wouldn’t expect anything better next year if he needs surgery again because it’ll be the same thing midway through the season.

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