Al Wallace: Newton "begging for help"

[Mr. Scot]

 

[uncfan888]

I applaud cam for putting up with this bullshit knowing he is too hurt to perform

[BrianS]

If the staff has been pushing Cam to play over the advice of medical professionals then they all need to be fired.  However . . .

My general impression is that Cam has, until now, wanted to play and told the staff he's fine.  Cam himself told us that the doctors can't actually find anything wrong.  I think (I hope) that Cam's press conference was him finally realizing that he is not the best option for the team at this point.

[MHS831]

To me, this alone is enough to fire Rivera.  Rivera was putting this off on the doctors, and we have no idea what their diagnosis is.  Just like he puts losses off on coordinators and players.  Apparently, he makes bad decisions regarding personnel as well as game management decisions.  Remember in 2016 RR let Cam play hurt after we were eliminated.  No respect for RR.

[rhyslloyd]

6 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

To me, this alone is enough to fire Rivera.  Rivera was putting this off on the doctors, and we have no idea what their diagnosis is.  Just like he puts losses off on coordinators and players.  Apparently, he makes bad decisions regarding personnel as well as game management decisions.  Remember in 2016 RR let Cam play hurt after we were eliminated.  No respect for RR.

I said a while back that Rivera and his morons had wasted and ruined the greatest on-field asset this organization has ever had, and it's unforgivable.  It's 100% true.

[MHS831]

2 minutes ago, BrianS said:

If the staff has been pushing Cam to play over the advice of medical professionals then they all need to be fired.  However . . .

My general impression is that Cam has, until now, wanted to play and told the staff he's fine.  Cam himself told us that the doctors can't actually find anything wrong.  I think (I hope) that Cam's press conference was him finally realizing that he is not the best option for the team at this point.

When you pull your "strong--armed" QB and put in a small reserve QB to throw a hail mary--you know something is wrong.  When Cam was underthrowing--something he never does--he should have been pulled.  Regardless of what the doctors or Cam says, a coach and his coordinator should be able to physically see the problem.  Rivera was simply whipping his horse to death without regarding tomorrow's ride.

[MHS831]

2 minutes ago, rhyslloyd said:

I said a while back that Rivera and his morons had wasted and ruined the greatest on-field asset this organization has ever had, and it's unforgivable.  It's 100% true.

Yep.  And they are doing it to Luke and CMC as well.   Cam is elusive and a run threat, so they did not give him a top OL.  He throws high a lot, so they got big WRs, not considering that they take longer to get open and that increases hits/sacks. 

We can't see how stupid Rivera is most of the time, but if his game management reflects his football acumen, then his decisions should scare us all.

For the first time in 8 years, I am researching QBs in mock drafts.  Our QB is 29. 

[blackcat]

No need for doctors or even Cam to say he needs to sit.  The fact that he can't throw the ball more than 10 yards  is reason enough to bench him.  Everyone knows he's hurt, including the other teams we play.

[TheSaint]

There’s no way, a Dr. has recommended for #1 to shut it down and coaches and or Newton ignored that advice. No way.

[CarolinaNCSU]

Cam, like most players, are going to say they're fine, let them play, etc. 

 

And it's the coaches, GM, etc. who must step in and tell them no.  If the report that Cam wanted to play and wouldn't sit in 2016 is true, shame on Rivera and the staff.  Don't repeat the same mistakes....man up, and tell Cam he has to sit even if he's trying to say the right things and play. 

[uncfan888]

2 minutes ago, TheSaint said:

There’s no way, a Dr. has recommended for #1 to shut it down and coaches and or Newton ignored that advice. No way.

I don't think so either. Doctors are probably telling them that he can't get hurt any worse by playing so they keep rolling him out there. But he needs time to recover and the season is over... It should start immediately 

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

4 minutes ago, blackcat said:

No need for doctors or even Cam to say he needs to sit.  The fact that he can't throw the ball more than 10 yards  is reason enough to bench him.  Everyone knows he's hurt, including the other teams we play.

If a doctor does recommend him to sit that should be sufficient enough to warrant Cam to be pulled. A doctor does have a say in the matter if it has to do with that players health but someone has to be held accountable and be mindful of what that doctor has recommended to prevent further injury. The HC and even Tepper should listen to these recommendations and see that this is followed or we will lose Cam permanently.

[blackcat]

9 minutes ago, rbsponsel52 said:

If a doctor does recommend him to sit that should be sufficient enough to warrant Cam to be pulled. A doctor does have a say in the matter if it has to do with that players health but someone has to be held accountable and be mindful of what that doctor has recommended to prevent further injury. The HC and even Tepper should listen to these recommendations and see that this is followed or we will lose Cam permanently.

I agree.  I'm just making the point that it's obvious Cam doesn't need to be playing.  Him playing is not helping anything.

[MountaineerChemist10]

It's all about the medical staff. If the medical staff says "yes", Ron will start Cam. But if the medical staff says "no", then Cam is benched.

It's sad, but Cam is crazy enough to believe he's actually Superman & say "I'm good, Coach". I say let him rest, but if medical staff & Cam both say "yes", Ron is crazy enough to start him.