Tepper has "no idea" whether Cam Newton needs surgery

[JakeDel5674]

Just now, electro's horse said:

Don't assume Cam plays football again.

poo, even if Cam retired, Rivera would still try to put him out there. LOL. 

[TheRed]

I honestly don't like the vague answer, but I'm not sure what you can really expect him to say in January.

Clearly this is a bit of a complicated situation. But attempting to imply that Cam is refusing medical attention or holding the team hostage in some form or another just makes you look like a dumb ass at best, or someone just pushing an agenda at worst.

[tiger7_88]

7 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

No employer can force an employee to get a medical procedure. This is federal law. It doesn't matter what you reason in your little brain; this is the law of the land, specifically the ADA.

On top of this, the Panthers CANNOT legally disclose what they know about Cam without his explicit consent. That included what he has or hasn't had done. That is HIPAA. 

You are dealing with VERY serious federal laws that people do not fug with.

What's really funny is you believing that a contracted employee being paid millions of dollars can ignore any and all medical advice and recommendations from their employer and still collect every dollar of the contract that they signed.  In your example, a quarterback could get a cut on his hand, ignore all advice to seek medical attention for that cut, watch the wound get infected and sepsis set it, and eventually see the hand amputated so that he can no longer throw a football and, in your little world, there's nothing the team can do about it.

Again, remaining in good health and taking the steps needed to maintain that good health are CONTRACTUAL for every player.  Intentional disregard for that state of health are valid reasons to deny bonuses and, if bad enough, terminate a contract and no longer pay guaranteed money.

[Mr. Scot]

17 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Sounds like they will just hope for the best but plan on having a legit plan b on the ready.

Gonna be interesting to see how that takes shape.

(Lord, please don't let it be Teddy Bridgewater)

[Tbe]

9 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

why do people keep saying this?

Is it like Boomer's lead diseased brains imagining they were at woodstock or whatever?

They say this because it’s what Cam said in one of his press conferences. 

Im paraphrasing, but he said he was constantly stopping by Vermillion’s office to see if anyone had discovered something in his MRI’s yet.

[Raleigh PF]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Gonna be interesting to see how that takes shape.

(Lord, please don't let it be Teddy Bridgewater)

You don't think Teddy would have a little more success under Norv Turner's guidance? I respect (and dislike) Sean Payton, but he's never been tasked with developing a young QB, has he? 

[panthers55]

48 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

mri is a procedure

Has Cam ever refused to do what the medical staff recommended? Stop blowing this out of proportion. He has had the surgery. Pain is usually caused by scar tissue which is usually handled with rehab. Additional surgery is usually the last resort if rest and rehab don't work. So unless there is more damage it will take time. So they won't know if he needs surgery until they try all nonsurgical procedures. At least this is what my daughter who is an athletic trainer and PT said is likely happening.

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

What's really funny is you believing that a contracted employee being paid millions of dollars can ignore any and all medical advice and recommendations from their employer and still collect every dollar of the contract that they signed.  In your example, a quarterback could get a cut on his hand, ignore all advice to seek medical attention for that cut, watch the wound get infected and sepsis set it, and eventually see the hand amputated so that he can no longer throw a football and, in your little world, there's nothing the team can do about it.

Again, remaining in good health and taking the steps needed to maintain that good health are CONTRACTUAL for every player.  Intentional disregard for that state of health are valid reasons to deny bonuses and, if bad enough, terminate a contract and no longer pay guaranteed money.

Bashaud Breeland, though...

Fiz is correct that no business entity can force a player to do anything medically.  They can, of course, terminate an employee for not agreeing to what they want, but I don't think anybody in their right mind believes that's gonna happen.

As to what's true or not about Newton in this story, I gotta admit I don't know. It's all pretty damn complicated.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Raleigh PF said:

You don't think Teddy would have a little more success under Norv Turner's guidance? I respect (and dislike) Sean Payton, but he's never been tasked with developing a young QB, has he? 

That's kind of a semantic thing, I suppose.  I mean, Drew Brees wasn't "Drew Brees" when Payton got hold of him.

[electro's horse]

10 minutes ago, Tbe said:

They say this because it’s what Cam said in one of his press conferences. 

Im paraphrasing, but he said he was constantly stopping by Vermillion’s office to see if anyone had discovered something in his MRI’s yet.

you'd think google would have something on that from before 2016 but whelp

[panthers55]

30 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

No employer can force an employee to get a medical procedure. This is federal law. It doesn't matter what you reason in your little brain; this is the law of the land, specifically the ADA.

On top of this, the Panthers CANNOT legally disclose what they know about Cam without his explicit consent. That included what he has or hasn't had done. That is HIPAA. 

You are dealing with VERY serious federal laws that people do not fug with.

Actually HIPAA doesn't usually apply to employers sharing info about employees. I used to think the same thing until I did some research after another poster raised the employer/employee issue. Employers can be sued over releasing random info about employees but not due to HIPAA.

[Jon Snow]

34 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Sounds like they will just hope for the best but plan on having a legit plan b on the ready.

 

This will draw the ire of Cam worshipers when it happens.  Mark it down.

[Lumps]

This is a hit or miss season and as I have explained to the knee jerk posters, Cam is a HUGE supporting factor in why River and Hurney are being retained.

Miss this season and get a good draft pick for a qb in a class that’s light years ahead of this one. Hit (deep playoffs with Cam) and let Rivera finish out his contract.

It’s important to know what is happening with our qb position when it comes to coaching and drafting and ultimately starting over.

[electro's horse]

17 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Actually HIPAA doesn't usually apply to employers sharing info about employees. I used to think the same thing until I did some research after another poster raised the employer/employee issue. Employers can be sued over releasing random info about employees but not due to HIPAA.

ADA covers that but there are certain "exceptions" that vary person to person depending on how good your lawyer is.