Some notes from my source involving the NFL draft

[Verge]

I asked him specifically about Carolina, and what he had heard from the combine, it kind of echoed his thought that they would take an offensive lineman, interior dline, or secondary in the first round, with o-line being more likely. Whichever tackle falls to us or the center from NC state make a lot of sense. 

[Ivan The Awesome]

3 hours ago, Verge said:

I asked him specifically about Carolina, and what he had heard from the combine, it kind of echoed his thought that they would take an offensive lineman or secondary in the first round, with o-line being more likely. Whichever tackle falls to us or the center from NC state make a lot of sense. 

Taking the Center at 16 is a sweet spot either way. Anchor that line for years to come and get dline second. Unless a OT or Edge falls. It's the logical choice. 

[Ivan The Awesome]

Verge, does your buddy think there will be a rush for QBs this year? I think there will be and that will push top d line talent down to us. 

[Verge]

Just now, Ivan The Awesome said:

Verge, does your buddy think there will be a rush for QBs this year? I think there will be and that will push top d line talent down to us. 

He stated the three in the top 12 thing, but beyond that, one will fall to the middle of the round 1, which also helps us. 

If you are looking at dline talent, there is a ton in the draft, so one would be bound to make it to us
Bosa
Sweat 
Gary
Burns 
Ferrell 
Ferguson 
Allen 

If you throw in the three quarterbacks, and likely a couple of o-line, and interior guys, one is bound to fall to us. The question is, will we take one, as I haven't really heard anything about an edge guy, just interior dline, safety, and o-line.

 

[Black&BlueBubba]

38 minutes ago, Verge said:

He stated the three in the top 12 thing, but beyond that, one will fall to the middle of the round 1, which also helps us. 

If you are looking at dline talent, there is a ton in the draft, so one would be bound to make it to us
Bosa
Sweat 
Gary
Burns 
Ferrell 
Ferguson 
Allen 

If you throw in the three quarterbacks, and likely a couple of o-line, and interior guys, one is bound to fall to us. The question is, will we take one, as I haven't really heard anything about an edge guy, just interior dline, safety, and o-line.

 

Not sure I would be comfortable with Ferguson or Allen at 16.  

I will take your other comment though with Jonah Williams falling to 16.  Yes please. I get the feeling that dude will work his ass off.  

[ncfan]

5 hours ago, Verge said:

I asked him specifically about Carolina, and what he had heard from the combine, it kind of echoed his thought that they would take an offensive lineman, interior dline, or secondary in the first round, with o-line being more likely. Whichever tackle falls to us or the center from NC state make a lot of sense. 

This one kind of stunned me

Your guy didnt seem to feel we would take a edge rusher (which is presumed our 1A. Biggest need) but said feels ww Could take a Interior DL.

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, ncfan said:

This one kind of stunned me

Your guy didnt seem to feel we would take a edge rusher (which is presumed our 1A. Biggest need) but said feels ww Could take a Interior DL.

Makes me wonder if they plan on making some free agent signings to shore up DE or they really do believe the "answer is on the roster." 

[ncfan]

17 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Makes me wonder if they plan on making some free agent signings to shore up DE or they really do believe the "answer is on the roster." 

Problem is

The market for edge guys

Just to get a half decent Edge rusher is going to take atleast 80% of our remaining cap (17 mil), to where we wont be able to even sign our Draft picks 

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

13 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Problem is

The market for edge guys

Just to get a half decent Edge rusher is going to take atleast 80% of our remaining cap (17 mil), to where we wont be able to even sign our Draft picks 

Not if many of the higher contracts that could be adjusted to allow more monies to be added to cap so more players can be signed and possibly enough left over to pay the drafted players.

[MHS831]

When LOVE is your best DT, you need interior DL---that makes sense.  Interior pressure and stopping the run comes first.  Remember the rule--inside out, front to back.

[steven8989]

34 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

When LOVE is your best DT, you need interior DL---that makes sense.  Interior pressure and stopping the run comes first.  Remember the rule--inside out, front to back.

Yeah so we pay Poe a big contract, have a first rounder in Butler, KK so where all the defensive ends at?

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, ncfan said:

Problem is

 The market for edge guys

 Just to get a half decent Edge rusher is going to take atleast 80% of our remaining cap (17 mil), to where we wont be able to even sign our Draft picks 

They may opt for Gettleman dumpster dive, however. TBH, I am not a big fan of signing a mega-contract for a pass rusher at the moment, especially in free agency where the options have gotten a lot slimmer for guys that will be worth a mega-contract. I would rather get a guy through the draft.

All that said, if they think there is a dire need at DE they will make moves in free agency, regardless. You can't "hope" that a starting quality DE falls to you at 16 and that just works out. That is how you end up cutting a Pro Bowl CB and then panic drafting two CB's to start.

[thefuzz]

6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

They may opt for Gettleman dumpster dive, however. TBH, I am not a big fan of signing a mega-contract for a pass rusher at the moment, especially in free agency where the options have gotten a lot slimmer for guys that will be worth a mega-contract. I would rather get a guy through the draft.

All that said, if they think there is a dire need at DE they will make moves in free agency, regardless. You can't "hope" that a starting quality DE falls to you at 16 and that just works out. That is how you end up cutting a Pro Bowl CB and then panic drafting two CB's to start.

I have asked, but haven't seen a response.  To be fair I haven't looked into it either...

But, how many DE's drafted outside of the top 15 have made an immediate impact lately?  Or even in their second season?

If I have time, I'll go back through it, but I'm not counting on an impact DE at 16, hoping, but not counting.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

 I have asked, but haven't seen a response.  To be fair I haven't looked into it either...

 But, how many DE's drafted outside of the top 15 have made an immediate impact lately?  Or even in their second season?

 If I have time, I'll go back through it, but I'm not counting on an impact DE at 16, hoping, but not counting.

Well what do you define as "immediate impact?" If you can define some benchmark stats(sacks, QB rushes, games started, tackles, forced fumbles, etc, etc, etc) then I can put up a list. Do you want to limit it to the first round or basically 16th through end of draft? How many years do you want to go back?