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How Would You Feel About Drafting Oline in R1 Now That We've Got Paradis and D.Williams?

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26 minutes ago, Sub Zero said:

So say we draft a OT 1st.. What position does he play at?? Dwill is on a 1 year prove it deal and if healthy he starts.. And Moton had a good season no way he goes back to the bench.. So where does your 1st round rookie OT play if he can't play guard or center..

He doesn't, he plays after Williams dips and we move moron back to right tackle. 

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What if we did something like wr selecting dk metcalf with him Moore and Samuel in the slot oh that’s a good lineup. Defense is deep in the draft this year we can get help on the Lines later but a wr like dk metcalf only come around so often. With three potential deep threats on the field who are you going to double up

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You can not count on Williams being a future Panther. He wanted to get paid and when no one would bite, he came back on one year deal. Either he plays great or poorly, the result could be his exit.

 

For sure draft one even two OTs especially in this deep class. Moton was depth insurance and now he's going to play two more years at OT. Draft them!

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12 minutes ago, Panthero said:

He doesn't, he plays after Williams dips and we move moron back to right tackle. 

So a 1st round top 20 pick sits?? Yeah that sound horrible.. If the player can't play guard/OT it's a wasted pick.. I want a day 1 starter with our 1st 2 picks..

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2 minutes ago, Panfan35 said:

What if we did something like wr selecting dk metcalf with him Moore and Samuel in the slot oh that’s a good lineup. Defense is deep in the draft this year we can get help on the Lines later but a wr like dk metcalf only come around so often. With three potential deep threats on the field who are you going to double up

I hate that idea.. You can't keep putting that amount of resources into 1 positions.. Plus we only play with 1 ball and we already have alot of weapons.. We're not looking for another starting WR we could use depth thoe.. And Depth can come in later rounds...

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3 minutes ago, Basbear said:

You can not count on Williams being a future Panther. He wanted to get paid and when no one would bite, he came back on one year deal. Either he plays great or poorly, the result could be his exit.

 

For sure draft one even two OTs especially in this deep class. Moton was depth insurance and now he's going to play two more years at OT. Draft them!

That's why you draft a developmental OT later in the draft.. A 4th rounder can sit a year and learn.. A 1st and 2nd rounder needs to be fighting to start .. Especially if you're not a playoff team..

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5 minutes ago, Sub Zero said:

So a 1st round top 20 pick sits?? Yeah that sound horrible.. If the player can't play guard/OT it's a wasted pick.. I want a day 1 starter with our 1st 2 picks..

He can play guard. Read up on these prospects guy. ;)

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13 minutes ago, Sub Zero said:

I hate that idea.. You can't keep putting that amount of resources into 1 positions.. Plus we only play with 1 ball and we already have alot of weapons.. We're not looking for another starting WR we could use depth thoe.. And Depth can come in later rounds...

I wonder why everyone thinks we are solid at WR.  DJ Moore is going into his second season, that I s usually not a good thing for WR.  Samuel has missed significant playing time every year.  Smith and Wright are Jags.  I'm not saying pick at 1 but we are defiantly not solid at WR

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1 minute ago, Sub Zero said:

That's why you draft a developmental OT later in the draft.. A 4th rounder can sit a year and learn.. A 1st and 2nd rounder needs to be fighting to start .. Especially if you're not a playoff team..

I could see benefits to development-type OT and/or a 1st rounder.

Hears a juicy rumor I heard.  After the top five OL prospects, the remaining OL panthers viewed just as good as street free agents. That was their draft OL philosophy last few years.

I mean FS and edge(that's a tough one) where do the Panthers need a starter and the value matches the position for a1st rounder? Nickle is not worth a 1st and they have a few guys to fight it out. Safety takes a rare one to justify spending a 1st. Edge/DE is in flux with Irvin signing and depends on the system needs. Draft value sometimes doesn't fit a draft need. OT is among the top needs and spending a first wouldn't bother me. 

 

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I don’t think it’s wise to lock into 1 position. Just about any position we take could have major upside and an immediate impact for us. We are counting on several players to stay healthy this year that haven’t done so in years past.

RB would seem silly, since we are all in playing Mccaffrey on 90%+ of the snaps. 

Factor in these current starters will also be free agents next year as well. 

1.Bradberry

2. Shaq

3. Daryl Williams 

4. Mario Addison

5. Bruce Irvin

Then add in these potential cap casualties after the season

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/cap/

1. Short , 2020 Cap hit $18 million. Only 8 Million in dead cap if cut, for net savings up 10 million or 14 if post June 1st cut

2. Poe,  2020 cap hit of 13.3 million, with only 3 million in dead cap, with immediate savings of 10 million if cut. 

3.Olsen, 2020 cap hit of 11.8 million, with only 3.7 in dead money of cut, for an immediate savings 7.1 Million. 

Cutting those 3 guys would save us 27 Million alone,on top of the 45 million we are projected to have in cap space would put us over 70 million in cap space for 2020. 

Granted that would mean we are replacing or resigning/ restructuring  8 starters at some of the highest price free agent positions out there as well.

Worth noting Butler is a free agent in 2020 as well since I mentioned the possibility of cutting the 2 guys in front of him. (This assumes we don’t exercise the 5th year option and why would we based on what we’ve seen so far)

 

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32 minutes ago, Panthero said:

He can play guard. Read up on these prospects guy. ;)

 

2 hours ago, Sub Zero said:

If the guy can play both OT and Guard  (like Williams or Cody Ford) I'm okay.. He starts out the year as LG and if Moton or DWilliams gets hurt he goes to their position.. That's just a good covering your bases job.. IF it's just a Guy who plays just OT or OG than I rather go Secondary 1st and get that type of Oline player later..

I already know that.. You were answering questions I was basing on a player who can just play OT.. Do a better job in following the conversation...

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