Hurney 2.0

[top dawg]

"Facts!" How ludicrous. I would post the dictionary definition, but it won't do any good when dealing with people who cling to non-starters. 

Football and particularly football message boards are filled with opinions that either are given life by happenings in a season, or they don't. No one is 100% right or wrong, but some of us are just more right than others. 

Facts!

LOL

[thefuzz]

19 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

How is that first sentence even relevant to hurney 2.0, the record is 7-11.

we’ve drafted dj Moore(on pace for a 1000+ yard season), donte Jackson, Ian Thomas, Haynes, carter, gaulden who all look solid, damn good draft of it pans out.

2019 we’ve drafted burns, little, Grier, Miller, Scarlett, Daley we can all agree the jury is still out 

2018 we signed peppers back, Jairus Wright, Poe l, searcy, sirles, Ross, and Reid. Searcy and Ross didn’t pan due to injury or we found better, jury still out on Poe, siries was depth and everyone else were good signings.

2019 we signed paradis, Williams, Irvin and McCoy. Paradis has struggled so far, Williams is out of position, haven’t seen Irvin yet and McCoy looking pretty good so far.

only trade I can think of as shipping kB out for a 3rd, which was a good move. 

Not a fan of the Grier pick and not a fan of no grabbing a guard or safety in the last two drafts 

so I don’t see anything above that’s a fireable offense or accumulation bad moves that warrants firing barring he opted in to keep Rivera or suggested he’s the long term answer 

I'll take a stab.

2019 draft cannot be graded as a good or bad thing at this time.  Although trading up typically is a bad thing in the Panthers front office history, and one of our top 100 picks was chosen with the hope that he never sees the field.

2018 draft, seems we got 2.5 starters.  Not going to complain about it too much, but Gaulden seems like a sore thumb here...and hopefully we can see more out of Thomas.  Not great, not bad.

Peppers was re-signed, but was brought back into the building by the previous leadership.  He played well in 17, and was below average in 18.

Wright was a good pickup.

Poe is at best a stop gap, and I'm not convinced that he is good, I would much preferred to spend the money we spent on Poe and McCoy on the offensive line, and not listen to Ron about how a good run stuffing D line is the best thing in the world.

Paradis does not look good so far, jury is still out.

Irvin can't get on the field.

Williams wasn't good at RT, and he's awful at LT.  Shouldn't have been re-signed, and certainly not for that number.

Didn't think that KB needed to be here any longer, but we also didn't have much depth behind him, I preferred to keep him and try for a comp pick, but whatever.  Go back and look at the last playoff game we were in and think if maybe, just maybe KB could have helped us there.  That's unknown.

To go back to the 2019 draft a second, I have said it, and will say it again, offensive line is more important to team success than pass rush.  We needed a left tackle, there was one sitting there, we went with Burns over Dillard, and it scares me to death to think that we were gunning for Little at 16 if Burns had not slipped.

Those are some responses to the laundry list of good things he's done.  Now, where are the long term contract extensions to our young players?  Where is the playoff record?

It's my estimation, is that Hurney 2.0 is exactly like Hurney 1.0, minus the huge contracts.  He is still kicking money down the road, he is still thinking that we are 1 players away, he still does not put his foot down when Ron is being Ron he has to be told what to do in that regard by the ownership.

Eerie suspicion that Hurney 2.0 ends just like Hurney 1.0, with us missing the playoffs, with an aging roster, and him back on the radio with zero chances at another front office job.

We shall see.

[SmokinwithWilly]

16 hours ago, Basbear said:

Let me ask this- If Panthers win those games, would you still say they should have benched Cam? 

I think you have to, even though the backlash would be enormous. Get the surgery done early, give him time to heal. 

If you're talking about a winning season and the possibility of serious damage to your franchise qb, or benching him and fixing the issue in his shoulder to keep him for the next 5-7 years, you have to bench him.

It's a hard call, but when it's obvious something is wrong, you cant ignore the warning signs just because you're winning. It's like ignoring the check engine light when you're doing 120 because it's too much fun to slow down.

[Cpt slay a ho]

41 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

I'll take a stab.

2019 draft cannot be graded as a good or bad thing at this time.  Although trading up typically is a bad thing in the Panthers front office history, and one of our top 100 picks was chosen with the hope that he never sees the field.

2018 draft, seems we got 2.5 starters.  Not going to complain about it too much, but Gaulden seems like a sore thumb here...and hopefully we can see more out of Thomas.  Not great, not bad.

Peppers was re-signed, but was brought back into the building by the previous leadership.  He played well in 17, and was below average in 18.

Wright was a good pickup.

Poe is at best a stop gap, and I'm not convinced that he is good, I would much preferred to spend the money we spent on Poe and McCoy on the offensive line, and not listen to Ron about how a good run stuffing D line is the best thing in the world.

Paradis does not look good so far, jury is still out.

Irvin can't get on the field.

Williams wasn't good at RT, and he's awful at LT.  Shouldn't have been re-signed, and certainly not for that number.

Didn't think that KB needed to be here any longer, but we also didn't have much depth behind him, I preferred to keep him and try for a comp pick, but whatever.  Go back and look at the last playoff game we were in and think if maybe, just maybe KB could have helped us there.  That's unknown.

To go back to the 2019 draft a second, I have said it, and will say it again, offensive line is more important to team success than pass rush.  We needed a left tackle, there was one sitting there, we went with Burns over Dillard, and it scares me to death to think that we were gunning for Little at 16 if Burns had not slipped.

Those are some responses to the laundry list of good things he's done.  Now, where are the long term contract extensions to our young players?  Where is the playoff record?

It's my estimation, is that Hurney 2.0 is exactly like Hurney 1.0, minus the huge contracts.  He is still kicking money down the road, he is still thinking that we are 1 players away, he still does not put his foot down when Ron is being Ron he has to be told what to do in that regard by the ownership.

Eerie suspicion that Hurney 2.0 ends just like Hurney 1.0, with us missing the playoffs, with an aging roster, and him back on the radio with zero chances at another front office job.

We shall see.

So I’m assuming we’re giving credit to hurney for 2017 because if not Idk why you are asking me a gm’s playoff record with one season under his belt?

I also don’t know why you are asking about young player contract extension when unfortunately none of them have deserved one just yet. There’s a lot of bias and hurney dislike in this post, whether from his first stint or some personal vendetta you hold against him. You can’t say the jury is out on the 2019 draft and than in hindsight say who you would have chosen, even worst is trying to determine if the picks we made vs the ones you thought should we should have made are even finished products yet.

Also Poe is playing much better in this hybrid 3-4 we run, and Irvin misses the first two games and now the narrative is he can’t see the field? That’s a reach. Don’t understand the notion to wanting to sign o linemen instead but not wanting to kick money down the road, because that’s irony given what any decent offensive linemen got paid in free agency this year and last year.

Than we signed back one of the top Rt for a one year deal with a 6.5 ish cap hit and now that’s a horrible deal? I don’t understand where you wanted the money to go? In 2018 norwell, Justin Pugh, and solder were the top o linemen, we could have signed one of these guys and use all the cap for them, solder is overpaid like hell in ny and norwell got injured his first year after his contract. In 2019 Trent brown, Daryl Williams, Mitch Morse and Matt Paradis were the top o linemen, we got two out of that group cheap, brown got the brinks truck back up for him in Oakland, so unless you wanted to get in a bidding war with Oakland I don’t see how we could have signed any other o linemen. 

The 3rd rounder we got for kB was higher than the comp pick we would have gotten.

so if we are giving him credit for 2017, his record is 18-16 and 0-1 in the playoffs not bad for 2 and 2/16 seasons. 

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

So I’m assuming we’re giving credit to hurney for 2017 because if not Idk why you are asking me a gm’s playoff record with one season under his belt? I also don’t know why you are asking about young player contract extension when unfortunately none of them have deserved one just yet. There’s a lot of bias and hurney dislike in this post, whether from his first stint or some personal vendetta you hold against him. You can’t say the jury is out on the 2019 draft and than in hindsight say who you would have chosen, even worst is trying to determine if the picks we made vs the ones you thought should we should have made are even finished products yet. Also Poe is playing much better in this hybrid 3-4 we run, and Irvin misses the first two games and now the narrative is he can’t see the field? That’s a reach. Don’t understand the notion to wanting to sign o linemen instead but not wanting to kick money down the road, because that’s irony given what any decent offensive linemen got paid in free agency this year and last year. Than we signed back one of the top Rt for a one year deal with a 6.5 ish cap hit and now that’s a horrible deal? I don’t understand where you wanted the money to go? In 2018 norwell, Justin Pugh, and solder were the top o linemen, we could have signed one of these guys and use all the cap for them, solder is overpaid like hell in ny and norwell got injured his first year after his contract. In 2019 Trent brown, Daryl Williams, Mitch Morse and Matt Paradis were the top o linemen, we got two out of that group cheap, brown got the brinks truck back up for him in Oakland, so unless you wanted to get in a bidding war with Oakland I don’t see how we could have signed any other o linemen. 

The 3rd rounder we got for kB was higher than the comp pick we would have gotten.

so if we are giving him credit for 2017, his record is 18-16 and 0-1 in the playoffs not bad for 2 and 2/16 seasons. 

Please learn to use paragraphs, you make it very hard to respond to this.

 

[micnificent28]

Hurneys biggest issue is he has no damn business in any teams front office. What qualifies him to be a nfl gm? How did Richardson even find this guy? From my knowledge and I could be wrong he was a newspaper guy before this and when he was fired he went back to doing radio?

Nobody wanted to give him another shot. He's about as qualified to be a GM as Dave Newton Panthers espn beat writer. This is why we are a clown show.

[MasterAwesome]

I can’t imagine having the free time to spend 15 pages trying to convince everyone our GM sucks...bless your hearts.

[Car123]

19 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Yeah because he’s getting blown off the ball regularly OK lol. Please provide the info for that this season. 

Unless you’ve got nick foles 90% of the time your starting qb goes out the season is all but over, a backup coming in and winning a couple games does what for the panthers exactly ? I’m trying to figure out which backup that was available would have led us to the playoffs let alone gave us a shot at a Super Bowl 

 

FITZMAGIC BABY

[NanuqoftheNorth]

19 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

I’m trying to figure out which backup that was available would have led us to the playoffs let alone gave us a shot at a Super Bowl 

So is our GM and that is the point.

Yet another season with Hurney 2.0 as the GM without an adequate backup QB.

Shades of Hurney 1.0.

[Cpt slay a ho]

Just now, NanuqoftheNorth said:

So is our GM and that is the point.

Yet another season with Hurney 2.0 as the GM without an adequate backup QB.

Shades of Hurney 1.0.

Well we don’t know how Allen will perform as a backup because the coaching staff keeps trotting our injured qb out on the field, which makes my point, the coaching staff is making far far more critical mistakes than the gm

[Cpt slay a ho]

19 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Please learn to use paragraphs, you make it very hard to respond to this.

 

Should be better now 

[Car123]

4 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

So is our GM and that is the point.

Yet another season with Hurney 2.0 as the GM without an adequate backup QB.

Shades of Hurney 1.0.

Which backup should we have signed?

[Mr. Scot]

18 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Hurneys biggest issue is he has no damn business in any teams front office. What qualifies him to be a nfl gm? How did Richardson even find this guy? From my knowledge and I could be wrong he was a newspaper guy before this and when he was fired he went back to doing radio?

Nobody wanted to give him another shot. He's about as qualified to be a GM as Dave Newton Panthers espn beat writer. This is why we are a clown show.

He was originally a PR guy working for the Redskins when Bobby Beathard decided to give him a shot at being part of the football operations.

He was never a scout, and was an assistant to a GM, not an assistant GM (a lot of people make that mistake).

The closest he ever came to doing any kind of personnel evaluation was being the Panthers cap specialist, but Jerry Richardson was well known for promoting people to jobs for which they weren't qualified as a reward for their loyalty. As an example, we previously had a personnel executive under Richardson who was promoted from the ticket department.

Hence, here we are.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

1 minute ago, Car123 said:

Which backup should we have signed?

Considering how last season ended for the Panthers, the management should have made bringing in an experienced backup QB a higher priority.  This problem has literally been going on for years now.

Failure to find an adequate backup QB is part of Hurney's MO no matter if you're talking version 1.0 or 2.0. 

At some point as owner you need to start holding people accountable.

Pittsburgh Steelers, Kansas City Chiefs, New England Patriots and Baltimore Ravens on the other hand are trading away QBs because they have more than they can use.

Hurney is a poor excuse for a GM and his win/loss record reflects that fact.