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The Rivera Dilemma

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Just now, DeAngelo Beason said:

Yes.  Over a two game stretch they're right in line with Cam's best stretch (es).  Especially in the completion percentage and passer rating departments.

I would have to look that up. These are phenomenal numbers but Cam has had some games back to back that were other worldly. And that is no knock on Allen at all. 

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10 minutes ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

Those numbers are as good as any Cam Newton has ever put up?

Cam in 2015 had a stretch of 2 games where he completed 68 and 71%, 8 TDs and 0 INTs. Also had 50 yards rushing in there. He basically did this twice that year with another set of 7 TDs and 0 INTs. His final like 8 games are 26 TDs and 1 INT. Obviously he won the MVP that year. Even had a 100 yard rushing game to go along with all the passing stats. 

Allens two game stretch is just a smidgen below Cam at his best in terms of passing. This doesn't include running. Lets also not forget that Cam carried us without significant weapons around him for a while. Especially on the line. We are blessed to have Allen and he is blessed to be healthy and around some amazing talent at WR/TE/RB. 

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1 minute ago, Varking said:

Cam in 2015 had a stretch of 2 games where he completed 68 and 71%, 8 TDs and 0 INTs. Also had 50 yards rushing in there. He basically did this twice that year with another set of 7 TDs and 0 INTs. His final like 8 games are 26 TDs and 1 INT. Obviously he won the MVP that year. Even had a 100 yard rushing game to go along with all the passing stats. 

Allens two game stretch is just a smidgen below Cam at his best in terms of passing. This doesn't include running. Lets also not forget that Cam carried us without significant weapons around him for a while. Especially on the line. We are blessed to have Allen and he is blessed to be healthy and around some amazing talent at WR/TE/RB. 

Cam has been in the NFL for 8 years.  

Kyle Allen has had two starts.

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23 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

You guys struggle to spin the stories to fit your narrative. There's a career in politics for you.

And just like politics, one should ignore what they say, and look at what they do.  It will be interesting to see what Rivera does when and if Allen continues to play well and Cam gets fully healthy.

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22 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

One of Rivera's main things, that he's mentioned every time, is he doesn't want players to lose their jobs before they feel their career is over.

It happened to him and it made a huge impression on him.

No veteran is going to get wally pip'd under rivera, no matter how poorly they play.

And that... scares me.

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16 minutes ago, Varking said:

Cam in 2015 had a stretch of 2 games where he completed 68 and 71%, 8 TDs and 0 INTs. Also had 50 yards rushing in there. He basically did this twice that year with another set of 7 TDs and 0 INTs. His final like 8 games are 26 TDs and 1 INT. Obviously he won the MVP that year. Even had a 100 yard rushing game to go along with all the passing stats. 

Allens two game stretch is just a smidgen below Cam at his best in terms of passing. This doesn't include running. Lets also not forget that Cam carried us without significant weapons around him for a while. Especially on the line. We are blessed to have Allen and he is blessed to be healthy and around some amazing talent at WR/TE/RB. 

2015 was before both shoulder surgeries. It's fair to question if Cam can return to those numbers.

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9 minutes ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

Effectively, yes.

Your argument was his numbers were as good as Cams. I pointed out it wasn't. It was close, but not on the same level. And yes there is a difference between 6 and 8 touchdowns. Then you changed the argument to he only played 2 games. That isn't relevant to comparing this to Cam. And you did that. These aren't Cam numbers at his best. 

And again, this isn't a knock on Allen. I couldn't be more proud of how he played. So, no, it did not disprove anything I wrote. 

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6 minutes ago, trueblade said:

2015 was before both shoulder surgeries. It's fair to question if Cam can return to those numbers.

Read the comments I was replying to. This had nothing to do with Cam going forward vs Allen going forward. This was somebody stating that this two game stretch was as good as any Cam two game stretch so I pointed out it wasn't accurate. It was a nice thought though. 

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