Kyle Allen - Trade

[4Corners]

5 minutes ago, WarHeel said:

The average NFL player is a diva compared to the average NHL guy. I encourage you to attend a game and see for yourself. It’s a rough sport.

I enjoy taking my kids to checkers games. I’ve noticed that hocky games are very child friendly and that little kids (boys and girls) love them. It’s like going to Sesame Street on ice. 
 

[WarHeel]

47 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

I enjoy taking my kids to checkers games. I’ve noticed that hocky games are very child friendly and that little kids (boys and girls) love them. It’s like going to Sesame Street on ice. 
 

Right... and how many minutes of hockey have you actually played?

[micnificent28]

I trade him and not think twice.. right now the rest of the league probably thinks the same way half this fan base is thinking because he hasn't shown any issues other than fumbling. I hope Ron and company know where there bread and butter is tho.. 

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

I trade him and not think twice.. right now the rest of the league probably thinks the same way half this fan base is thinking because he hasn't shown any issues other than fumbling. I hope Ron and company know where there bread and butter is tho.. 

Kyle Allen really scares the daylights out of you, doesn't he?

[332nd]

1 hour ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Unless someone makes a ridiculous offer, we should and will keep Allen. 

This. Unless someone goes full Vikings & offers a Herschel Walker type trade, you keep both for as long as possible.

If someone does offer a batpoo crazy trade like that (for either of them) you give it serious attention.

[micnificent28]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Kyle Allen really scares the daylights out of you, doesn't he?

Not at all.. I just follow the bill belichick model.. I have seen this in other franchises.. you stick with your hall of Famer and Bread and butter.. what looks good in a stretch a career does not make. I understand he represent hope for you.. I just dont think hes as good as you do.

I think he is Matt Cassel not as good as Jacoby Brissett.. certainly not Jimmy G. You see what happen to all of them. But you peddle this kid like he is the second coming based of wins when the team is putting up 7 sacks a go and 2 ints? Car is a Ferrari all Allen has to do is show up and drive..

But if the team wins qb gets all the credit good or bad right?

[g5jamz]

2 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Not at all.. I just follow the bill belichick model.. I have seen this in other franchises.. you stick with your hall of Famer and Bread and butter.. what looks good in a stretch a career does not make. I understand he represent hope for you.. I just dont think hes as good as you do.

I think he is Matt Cassel not as good as Jacoby Brissett.. certainly not Jimmy G. You see what happen to all of them. But you peddle this kid like he is the second coming based of wins when the team is putting up 7 sacks a go and 2 ints? Car is a Ferrari all Allen has to do is show up and drive..

But if the team wins qb gets all the credit good or bad right?

Ask Trent Dilfer

[LegioX]

5 hours ago, ncfan said:

NO

You do like Foles in Philly

Part of this fan base wants a 100% healthy QB1 Back

But you need to make sure he can make it through this year and next before extending him.  If he goes on to stay healthy this year and next and looks good.  Yeah you trade Allen 

 

Philly knew a healthy Wentz was their best option but had injury problems.  But Foles showed he could win you games.  Eventually they extended Wentz at the end of his contract and moved on from Foles

 

If Cam comes back but then injury problems next year, atleast you have Allen and extend him and not resign Cam

Damn. Dont bring logic into this forum.

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, Waldo said:

We have a lot to see from either before pulling any triggers on a trade. One could be traded, we could keep both through next year or one could drop out of the running of good ideas before then.

Agreed.  There is no reason to rush.  However, a team could experience an injury and decide to overpay for a QB---that would be interesting-to see what they would do.

Let's say we stay with the hot hand, Kyle beats SF, and some team decides that Cam is healthy and not playing.  They offer a first rounder and a second in 2020.  You are the GM, know that Cam is uncertain and approaching a contract in 2021.  Do you accept the offer?

Hurney would earn his money, either way.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Not at all.. I just follow the bill belichick model.. I have seen this in other franchises.. you stick with your hall of Famer and Bread and butter.. what looks good in a stretch a career does not make. I understand he represent hope for you.. I just dont think hes as good as you do.

I think he is Matt Cassel not as good as Jacoby Brissett.. certainly not Jimmy G. You see what happen to all of them. But you peddle this kid like he is the second coming based of wins when the team is putting up 7 sacks a go and 2 ints? Car is a Ferrari all Allen has to do is show up and drive..

But if the team wins qb gets all the credit good or bad right?

Nice try.

It seems pretty obvious that you and some others are checking under your bed for Kyle Allen before you go to sleep. You're worried that he might actually be good enough to replace Newton, and that thought scares you to death.

Here's the thing, though: All the words you write on this message board have zero effect.

Nobody that matters is listening, nor should they be.

What happens with Newton is going to happen. If he comes back to form, great. But if he doesn't and Allen ultimately replaces him, there's not a thing you can do about it. That's just reality.

And again, the vast majority of us don't care how this turns out as long as we're winning. It's about the team, not who plays for it.

[MHS831]

2 hours ago, onmyown said:

I wouldn’t pay Cam or get rid of Kyle until the END of NEXT season when all will be known.

 

I agree that we should not shop Cam now, but what if Kyle stays hot and teams start throwing good offers at the Panthers?   In other words, we don't decide the market and Cam's value might be worth more now than in the offseason.  Lotta variables, which makes this fun.

[Mr. Scot]

13 minutes ago, 332nd said:

This. Unless someone goes full Vikings & offers a Herschel Walker type trade, you keep both for as long as possible.

If someone does offer a batpoo crazy trade like that (for either of them) you give it serious attention.

On the flipside of that though, if he was actually good enough to generate that kind of offer, why would you trade him?

If he weren't, and somebody just made a stupid offer, that I could see. But I seriously doubt that's going to happen.

If you put a gun to my head, I don't really see a trade offer for Newton either. It's probably more possible than an offer for Allen, but I don't believe either one happens.

I do think the possibility of Newton retiring after this season though is one that should be taken seriously.

[CanadianCat]

2 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Think of NFL players like cars and the draft is the moment you buy one. As soon as you drive it off the lot it’s worth less.

Good analogy. I immediately think of Rosen given this example. 

[CanadianCat]

24 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

And again, the vast majority of us don't care how this turns out as long as we're winning. It's about the team, not who plays for it.

This.

But once it is determined who that guy is (at the end of the season) I think it would be prudent to try to move the other. I think Newton is the better QB in a vacuum but his salary will mean we need to let some supporting guys go. Allen (without Newton) would allow us to resign our guys and bring in more talent. 

So can we win more with Cam and less support, or Allen and more support?

This is why teams with rookie deal contracts view that as their window and go all in.