Alright. How in the fug Do We Fix this Horrible Run Defense?

[Hoenheim]

Its been a problem all season long and seems to be getting worse. Why is this happening when we have so much money tied in to the front 7 and supposed defensive mastermind head coach? Whats the excuse? 

Panthers have traditionally been a defense that has been able to stifle opponent run games even when we're sucking overall as a team. It used to be the one thing we could hang out hats on. Now.. I'm not sure why but it's like the dline is just constantly getting stuck on blocks and turned the wrong way and all sorts of other fugery like they forgot how to play football. You shouldn't be paying grown men millions of dollars to constantly under perform against the run. 

[uncfan888]

Get a new coach 

[Green_Tea]

I don't know what happened to the run defense. That's usually one of the Panthers strong points. They have good linebackers and a good D-line 

[Davidson Deac II]

8 minutes ago, Green_Tea said:

I don't know what happened to the run defense. That's usually one of the Panthers strong points. They have good linebackers and a good D-line 

It was bad last year, and its gotten worse.  

[Cpt slay a ho]

Idk who tf is play calling but I didn’t see much loaded boxes after we started getting steamrolled 

[LinvilleGorge]

20 minutes ago, Green_Tea said:

I don't know what happened to the run defense. That's usually one of the Panthers strong points. They have good linebackers and a good D-line 

We traded size for speed on the edges. The pass rush improved, but the run D tanked. We could really use a Wes Horton type right now.

[TylerDurden]

All I'm saying is, it seemed to become a problem as soon as Washington took over as DC.

[CRA]

1 minute ago, Proudiddy said:

All I'm saying is, it seemed to become a problem as soon as Washongton took over as DC.

Well I think Washington is and has been in over his head.  When Ron took over last year we should of brought in a new guy this year. 

But we don’t have the bodies upfront we use to back when McD was DC.  We got pass rushers 

[TylerDurden]

5 minutes ago, CRA said:

Well I think Washington is and has been in over his head.  When Ron took over last year we should of brought in a new guy this year. 

But we don’t have the bodies upfront we use to back when McD was DC.  We got pass rushers 

Idk man, we have a lot if big bodies up front, especially the middle, and we have since McD left.  It seems to be more of a philosophical/scheme issue, imo.

[CRA]

1 minute ago, Proudiddy said:

Idk man, we have a lot if big bodies up front, especially the middle, and we have since McD left.  It seems to be more of a philosophical/scheme issue, imo.

McD had one of the top 3 run stuffing monster DTs in the business and better run stopping DEs. 

I mean we have depth on the DL.  We got pass rushers.  We defiantly made an effort in acquiring talent and altered scheme to get to the QB...and that part shows. 

But it isn’t a coincidence to me that we were a top 5 run stopping D the 3 years before Star left....and then have been getting gashed ever since.  He also helped Luke IMO.  I mean Luke is fine either way.  But the combo of Star/KK....was essential to clogging things up.  Butler/McCoy or Love is a pretty big talent drop off IMO

[TylerDurden]

11 minutes ago, CRA said:

McD had one of the top 3 run stuffing monster DTs in the business and better run stopping DEs. 

I mean we have depth on the DL.  We got pass rushers.  We defiantly made an effort in acquiring talent and altered scheme to get to the QB...and that part shows. 

But it isn’t a coincidence to me that we were a top 5 run stopping D the 3 years before Star left....and then have been getting gashed ever since.  He also helped Luke IMO.  I mean Luke is fine either way.  But the combo of Star/KK....was essential to clogging things up.  Butler/McCoy or Love is a pretty big talent drop off IMO

true, but I thought when we signed Poe there were stats posted here showing Poe actually graded out better across the board than Star, fwiw.  I mean Poe is a lit bigger, but yeah, maybe it's no coincidence things fell off when Star left, but I really think we still have the personnel for it, it just seems we lack discipline in run fits.

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

true, but I thought when we signed Poe there were stats posted here showing Poe actually graded out better across the board than Star, fwiw.  I mean Poe is a lit bigger, but yeah, maybe it's no coincidence things fell off when Star left, but I really think we still have the personnel for it, it just seems we lack discipline in run fits.

I'm a big stats guy but sometimes stats are just flat out misleading.

As for Star's value, just look at what happened to our defensive rankings when he left and what happened to the Bill's defensive rankings when he arrived. We fell off and they surged.

[CRA]

7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm a big stats guy but sometimes stats are just flat out misleading.

As for Star's value, just look at what happened to our defensive rankings when he left and what happened to the Bill's defensive rankings when he arrived. We fell off and they surged.

well, and the fact Leslie Frazier is a better DC than Eric Washington.   His teams historically have been top 10 defenses as a coordinator.   

Washington isn’t bringing much to the table IMO.  

[CarolinaNCSU]

Rivera's old school mentality hurts here.  On some levels, yes football is still very much won in the trenches, stronger/tougher guy wins, etc.  But run games and blocking schemes have advanced and gotten more creative with more opened up and spread out offenses. Not exactly Ron's strong suit to scheme to stop creativity when our offense's version of creative is a reverse every now and then.