Haven’t been this excited after a loss in quite some time

[YoungPanthers89]

What the fug?

[Castavar]

1 minute ago, Rags said:

we're all gonna die and nobody's gonna remember the winning team in a sport that only really matters in america. 

in the context of football and past my immedaite gratification, seeing progress from players like Kyle and D.J. mean a lot for this team.

It only means a lot if they do something with it. Progression is not linear. That's why winning NOW is the only thing that matters. Anything else is just hearsay.

[micnificent28]

2 minutes ago, kaw_liga said:

Didn't take but 4 pages to pull the race card out....congrats 

Only its true...  but yeah that's not a comfortable discussion to have. You would rather blame the victim than acknowledge the truth so that's the weapon of choice. "Your playing the race card"

[Rags]

1 minute ago, PhillyB said:

playmaker? no. nothing about his game scares defenses. nothing about his play indicates you can sit back and not worry about finding a franchise guy in the event cam has played his last snap for us.

You know who does scare defenses? Christian McCaffery.

There is no way you can make a case for Kyle Allen without taking into account what CMac does for our offense, obviously. But that's cool. CMac's presence makes Kyle better and if Cam has played his last snap here, we still have CMac which makes this whole offense better.

wow how about that.

[jfra78]

4 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

gutty? yes. gritty? yes. leader? sure.

playmaker? no. nothing about his game scares defenses. nothing about his play indicates you can sit back and not worry about finding a franchise guy in the event cam has played his last snap for us.

This is true

[Varking]

1 minute ago, Rags said:

It builds a case for him next year.

Stop looking 10 years into the future.  it's needless stress. If Kyle pulls a Matt Moore and sucks long term for us, it happens. There's no sure answers in football. 

We saw a QB go to GB in the winter, run our offense very well and keep us in the game. 

I don't really know why you gotta gripe about "Balling out" when that last drive was the definition of that. 

I’m not stressed at all. He’ll be on this roster next year for sure. I never argued that. I just don’t think you can claim a dude played great when he was the direct cause of two very costly turnovers. Did he show heart by staying in there? Sure. Did he fight? Yeah. Did he play great? Absolutely not. Did he ball out? Absolutely not. If he was balling out it would have been on him at the end of the game and not CMC. He had three really good drives and two costly turnovers. That screams average. 
 

 

[backtobackwinningseasons]

I'm excited about this loss because it's one loss closer to being rid of Dipshit Rivera and Clueless Hurney for good.

[Rags]

Just now, Castavar said:

It only means a lot if they do something with it. Progression is not linear. That's why winning NOW is the only thing that matters. Anything else is just hearsay.

Good thing the season isn't over.

A loss here doesn't mean a loss in January if this team happens to meet up again. The flaws and gameplans the Packers and 49ers were able to exploit and run aren't the same ones that every team can.

Yes this hurts our playoff chances and that BLOWS but I've been  a fan of the NFL long enough to know anything can happen between now and January. 

[carolinarolls]

9 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

gutty? yes. gritty? yes. leader? sure.

playmaker? no. nothing about his game scares defenses. nothing about his play indicates you can sit back and not worry about finding a franchise guy in the event cam has played his last snap for us.

This is a pretty easy take though.  There is not lots of pomp and flash, but to some that is not what is important.  If he continues to improve, stays humble, gives 100%, keeps a good attitude, and puts the team first he will be fine for now.  There are lots of young weapons.  Game managers can be fine as long as they are efficient.  

[Varking]

5 minutes ago, carolinarolls said:

This is a pretty easy take though.  There is not lots of pomp and flash, but to some that is not what is important.  If he continues to improve, stays humble, gives 100%, keeps a good attitude, and puts the team first he will be fine for now.  There are lots of young weapons.  Game managers can be fine as long as they are efficient.  

Game managers are fine with great to elite defenses. We don’t have that. 

[Rags]

6 minutes ago, Varking said:

I’m not stressed at all. He’ll be on this roster next year for sure. I never argued that. I just don’t think you can claim a dude played great when he was the direct cause of two very costly turnovers. Did he show heart by staying in there? Sure. Did he fight? Yeah. Did he play great? Absolutely not. Did he ball out? Absolutely not. If he was balling out it would have been on him at the end of the game and not CMC. He had three really good drives and two costly turnovers. That screams average. 
 

 

I'm saying he balled out not just because of his stats, but how many times did Kyle have a free rusher come at him and he avoided him and extended the play? I can think of at least 4.

That's something you cannot ignore that will never show up in the box score. This is something that you can say is a sign of growth.

Yes the fumble was bad and the int was bad but to say those are the reasons you're drawing the line in the sand about this is very questionable.

if you don't think that's enough, fine, but i've seen QBs with multiple turnovers "ball out" before on other teams, not just Kyle.

 

Oh and to add to address your edit on your previous post, I'm not moving the goalposts, both of his turnovers seemed like young mistakes rather than egregious QB flaws. I know very well that he could easily regress as soon as next week, but I'm saying the postivies far outweighed the few negatives (and there were a few more outside those two turnovers.) 

[carolinarolls]

1 minute ago, Varking said:

Game managers are fine with great to elite defenses. We don’t have that. 

Having a great D helps for sure, but no matter how good they are, they are always better when fresh.  The kind of fresh that comes from long, boring drives by their offense.  Drives that end up in points.  We are not there yet for sure.  Turnovers kill us.  The one in the endzone for sure.  Plus the Boger-bungle stole points, gas, and spirit from the D IMO.

 

[Varking]

3 minutes ago, Rags said:

I'm saying he balled out not just because of his stats, but how many times did Kyle have a free rusher come at him and he avoided him and extended the play? I can think of at least 4.

That's something you cannot ignore that will never show up in the box score. This is something that you can say is a sign of growth.

Yes the fumble was bad and the int was bad but to say those are the reasons you're drawing the line in the sand about this is very questionable.

if you don't think that's enough, fine, but i've seen QBs with multiple turnovers "ball out" before on other teams, not just Kyle.

 

Oh and to add to address your edit on your previous post, I'm not moving the goalposts, both of his turnovers seemed like young mistakes rather than egregious QB flaws. I know very well that he could easily regress as soon as next week, but I'm saying the postivies far outweighed the few negatives (and there were a few more outside those two turnovers.) 

He has shown that despite playing in more and more games he is not growing when it comes to turnovers. He has been putting the ball on the ground all year. Only recently has he coupled the fumbles with interceptions. He had 1 TD and 2 Turnovers that resulted in +14 points for them and -3 to 7 for us. This isn't balling out. Want to show growth? He did some things well and he did some things poorly. That sounds like an average game at QB.

[Castavar]

8 minutes ago, Rags said:

Good thing the season isn't over.

A loss here doesn't mean a loss in January if this team happens to meet up again.

- Unless you think we can sweep both the Saints and Falcons and/or beat the Seahawks, then yeah, the season is pretty much over

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The flaws and gameplans the Packers and 49ers were able to exploit and run aren't the same ones that every team can.

- Really? Because we've literally been getting gashed on the ground all year and currently rank #32 against the run.

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Yes this hurts our playoff chances and that BLOWS but I've been  a fan of the NFL long enough to know anything can happen between now and January. 

-I've also been a fan of the Panthers long enough to know never get your hopes up with this team because they will usually disappoint. I used to be the optimistic type, but I have seen way too many Rivera coached games to know this team will end up disappointing somehow.