Defending Rivera

[bigdog10]

21 hours ago, SBiii said:

Yup. 

Some men subjugate their personal ethics to the whim of an agent (see Josh)....

....some don't (see CMC).

I’ve got some ocean front property in Colorado to sell you if you honestly think CMC won’t hold out for a new deal after we’ve pretty much rode him into the ground for two straight years. 
 

Id honestly be disappointed in him if he didn’t. I don’t blame these players one bit for trying to get the money they have earned. They are all one freak play away from having their career ended. Best to get it while you can. 

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

If there was a single coach in the NFL that I thought would have the Panthers in the playoffs this year or last, I'd be all on the "fire Ron" bandwagon.

[top dawg]

Honestly, I don't think Rivera needs defending. He has been good, but not great. I can see why Tep would keep him, but I can't argue if he decides that a new direction is needed. 

[raleigh-panther]

Rivera needs to go. 9 years of mediocrity is enough for our version of

marvin Lewis 

[SBiii]

1 hour ago, bigdog10 said:

I’ve got some ocean front property in Colorado to sell you if you honestly think CMC won’t hold out for a new deal after we’ve pretty much rode him into the ground for two straight years. 
 

Id honestly be disappointed in him if he didn’t.

I don't think he will.

If he doesn't hold out I expect you to gift me the Colorado based ocean front property someone tricked you into at some point.

[Doc Holiday]

On 11/10/2019 at 10:47 PM, Mr. Scot said:

It was reported that team owner David Tepper was "livid" after the San Francisco game. This game wasn't the kind of humiliating blowout that game was, but the defense in this game was pretty terrible as well.

It's possible Rivera might have been able to survive one performance like that, but two horrible defensive showings within a few weeks of each other? I've got a feeling that proverbial seat is getting mighty warm.

Still, I know there are people who are fans. I've said elsewhere that I'm a fan of Rivera the person. Rivera the coach? Not so much.

But if you feel differently, I'll give you the chance to speak your mind here.

Defend keeping Rivera, if you can.

I'm a long time proponent of Ron Rivera, but as I said at the beginning of the season, only thing that will save Rivera is if he gets us to the playoffs this year.

That hasn't changed, even with Cam being out, because honestly the issue with the team right now isnt QB. its the defense which has been playing terrible lately and the offensive line.  now the o-line is playing about what you'd expect for a mash unit, in fact for the players we got out there I think the O-Line has done pretty good.  but the defense is inexcusable, seriously how can you not be able to stop the run? Our Defense has struggled for a couple years now, and the falls largely on Rivera for keeping Washington as his DC despite his total lacking the ability to be a DC. 

With that said at the moment, I dont want some of our Coaches to go. 

Chase Blackburn has been nothing short of amazing as our ST coordinator.

Norv Turner is probably in large part responsible for the development and play of Kyle Allen. Do you want Allen to have his Coordinator Switched at this critical juncture of his Development?  Especially considering that Cam is questionable for returning. I dont know how I feel about that

I want to keep our Offensive line coaches, Matsko and Wharton have actually done an excellent job this year of making Lemonade out of Lemons.

My biggest quam with the actual release of Rivera is who do you replace him with.  Unless its a clear cut improvement. I'd rather avoid experimentation.  And there isnt anyone out there right now that I feel like we need to go out there and get.  Only coach that kinda gets me interested is if Jim Harbaugh decides to come back to the NFL as his current stint at Michigan isnt going too well right now.

 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Doc Holiday said:

I'm a long time proponent of Ron Rivera, but as I said at the beginning of the season, only thing that will save Rivera is if he gets us to the playoffs this year.

That hasn't changed, even with Cam being out, because honestly the issue with the team right now isnt QB. its the defense which has been playing terrible lately and the offensive line.  now the o-line is playing about what you'd expect for a mash unit, in fact for the players we got out there I think the O-Line has done pretty good.  but the defense is inexcusable, seriously how can you not be able to stop the run? Our Defense has struggled for a couple years now, and the falls largely on Rivera for keeping Washington as his DC despite his total lacking the ability to be a DC. 

With that said at the moment, I dont want some of our Coaches to go. 

Chase Blackburn has been nothing short of amazing as our ST coordinator.

Norv Turner is probably in large part responsible for the development and play of Kyle Allen. Do you want Allen to have his Coordinator Switched at this critical juncture of his Development?  Especially considering that Cam is questionable for returning. I dont know how I feel about that

I want to keep our Offensive line coaches, Matsko and Wharton have actually done an excellent job this year of making Lemonade out of Lemons.

My biggest quam with the actual release of Rivera is who do you replace him with.  Unless its a clear cut improvement. I'd rather avoid experimentation.  And there isnt anyone out there right now that I feel like we need to go out there and get.  Only coach that kinda gets me interested is if Jim Harbaugh decides to come back to the NFL as his current stint at Michigan isnt going too well right now.

I've said before I'd want Dan Campbell.

With regard to the assistants, new coaches occasionally keep existing assistants, but it's rare.

I know Richardson asked Rivera to keep Sam Mills III. No idea whether Tepper would do that or not.

[Doc Holiday]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I've said before I'd want Dan Campbell.

With regard to the assistants, new coaches occasionally keep existing assistants, but it's rare.

I know Richardson asked Rivera to keep Sam Mills III. No idea whether Tepper would do that or not.

Interesting, but no experience as a Coordinator?  Not sure how I feel about that.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Doc Holiday said:

Interesting, but no experience as a Coordinator?  Not sure how I feel about that.

Technically he's already been a head coach, even if it was only as an interim.

[Doc Holiday]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Technically he's already been a head coach, even if it was only as an interim.

yeah even then I'm only luke warm on that at best. 

What are your thoughts on Brian Schottenheimer?

[Mr. Scot]

49 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

yeah even then I'm only luke warm on that at best. 

What are your thoughts on Brian Schottenheimer?

His dad was one of those guys that could never quite get it done, though you can't put that on Brian.

My perception of him overall is that he's had a pretty up and down career. Some seasons people talk about him like he's the next big thing, others like he's lucky to have a job.

Don't recall seeing him mentioned yet in the head coach speculation articles for next year, but it's early.

[Doc Holiday]

9 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

His dad was one of those guys that could never quite get it done, though you can't put that on Brian.

My perception of him overall is that he's had a pretty up and down career. Some seasons people talk about him like he's the next big thing, others like he's lucky to have a job.

Don't recall seeing him mentioned yet in the head coach speculation articles for next year, but it's early.

I think he is gonna get some looks, really has the Seahawks offense rolling.  That’s why I brought him up. Plus he his dad was a really good coach even if he was garbage in the playoffs. But because his Dad was bad in the playoffs doesn’t mean he will be.

plus I think Marty Lives in Lake Norman still.

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

I think he is gonna get some looks, really has the Seahawks offense rolling.  That’s why I brought him up. Plus he his dad was a really good coach even if he was garbage in the playoffs. But because his Dad was bad in the playoffs doesn’t mean he will be.

plus I think Marty Lives in Lake Norman still.

The immediate question will be how much of that is Russell Wilson.

[rippadonn]

On 11/10/2019 at 10:58 PM, electro's horse said:

i was thinking about that earlier. 3 losses in all primetime/marquee matchups, including the bucs

Primetime sacrifice for their darlings. Not "favored".