Changing the coaching and GM philosophy

[SBiii]

1 hour ago, Snake said:

When was he fired? 

Tepper will make the Cam stays/goes decision.

[SBiii]

1 hour ago, Snake said:

That's a vague reasoning to think he will can him. I really want him gone, I just don't think he gets canned with Rivera. They both could actually keep there job and last year is a perfect example of that. 

Bingo.

Tepper has massive intellectual horsepower and is quite capable at multi-tasking.

I think ur previous observation is spot on...Hurndog wud already be gone if he was gonna be gone.

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, Snake said:

That's a vague reasoning to think he will can him. I really want him gone, I just don't think he gets canned with Rivera. They both could actually keep there job and last year is a perfect example of that. 

We will see.

[Mr. Scot]

12 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I am not looking at it the wrong way, that's a narrative that we have no idea that is even true yet. This is ALL speculative because despite what the "sources" are saying, none of this has come to pass.

What I'm seeing comes from people I trust. And I trust them because they've been extremely solid at predicting things before. Whether or not you trust someone is your own decision, of course. And mind you, they agree that the situation is fluid, though they don't see much chance of resolution.

The idea of the team extending Newton is pretty much a non-starter. BrianS actually summed that up pretty well. And given Newton's problems staying healthy over the last few years, it would objectively be kind of hard to justify.

Now, per Jourdan Rodrigue, Rivera and Hurney actually would be willing to extend Newton but Tepper is not. Don't see that changing. And again, kinda hard to blame him.

So that leaves us with the other side, Newton playing out the final year of his deal. Could he change his mind on that? Sure he could, but it's not really to his benefit to do so. And again, I couldn't blame him if he didn't.

This all has about three to four months to play out oh, so we'll see what happens. Right now, my full expectation is that they part ways. Barring somebody changing their mind, it's only a question of whether it happens by trade or release.

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

What I'm seeing comes from people I trust. And I trust them because they've been extremely solid at predicting things before. Whether or not you trust someone is your own decision, of course. And mind you, they agree that the situation is fluid, though they don't see much chance of resolution.

The idea of the team extending Newton is pretty much a non-starter. BrianS actually summed that up pretty well. And given Newton's problems staying healthy over the last few years, it would objectively be kind of hard to justify.

Now, per Jourdan Rodrigue, Rivera and Hurney actually would be willing to extend Newton but Tepper is not. Don't see that changing. And again, kinda hard to blame him.

So that leaves us with the other side, Newton playing out the final year of his deal. Could he change his mind on that? Sure he could, but it's not really to his benefit to do so. And again, I couldn't blame him if he didn't.

This all has about three to four months to play out oh, so we'll see what happens. Right now, my full expectation is that they part ways. Barring somebody changing their mind, it's only a question of whether it happens by trade or release.

Have we ever seen a source that says he wouldn't be willing to play next year? This is the one narrative that seems to be fan based and not even "speculative media" based. Obviously, it is not an illogical scenario but has anyone quoted or claimed a source on that?

And, no, I don't believe the sources at this point are much more than judging the mood. I highly doubt decisions have been made at this juncture. I will care about these sources when the actual decisions are close to being made. 

I am not as convinced that this current mood will lead to the same conclusion that you have reached. I believe it is one of multiple scenarios, as I stated.

We, for the most part, fundamentally agree on the scenarios but we just differ on how sure we are of the overall outcome. 

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Have we ever seen a source that says he wouldn't be willing to play next year? This is the one narrative that seems to be fan based and not even "speculative media" based. Obviously, it is not an illogical scenario but has anyone quoted or claimed a source on that?

And, no, I don't believe the sources at this point are much more than judging the mood. I highly doubt decisions have been made at this juncture. I will care about these sources when the actual decisions are close to being made. 

I am not as convinced that this current mood will lead to the same conclusion that you have reached. I believe it is one of multiple scenarios, as I stated.

We, for the most part, fundamentally agree on the scenarios but we just differ on how sure we are of the overall outcome. 

I've seen a couple, and honestly there's more they know that it's not for me to say. I'm only discussing what they've already discussed openly on the board.

Bottom Line for me: If there is another team out there willing to extend Newton when the Panthers are not, would it really make any sense to expect him not to take that deal?

[mc52beast]

I like Ron as a person, and he seems to be well respected by both current and former players. As a coach he has done more for the Panthers than any other coach has...

but I think he has been in Charlotte too long. Look at the average time a coach spends in one place and Ron has exceeded that by at least a few years. 
 

As for Hurney, I didn’t like 1.0 and I really don’t care much for 2.0. Yes he has learned from some of his mistakes but he still struggles at finding good talent consistently. Goodbye Marty.

Get this team an offensive minded coach, a GM who has a record of consistently getting top talent and for the love of God PLEASE build a competent o-line.

[Snake]

1 hour ago, SBiii said:

Tepper will make the Cam stays/goes decision.

It take a while to get a good GM. The process should have already started unless we are keeping Rivera. 

[Snake]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

We will see.

We might see Rivera canned but not Hurney. If you can them both it will put you behind finding a good HC. If you just can Hurney well I think you canned the lesser of two evils. 

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

What I'm seeing comes from people I trust. And I trust them because they've been extremely solid at predicting things before. Whether or not you trust someone is your own decision, of course. And mind you, they agree that the situation is fluid, though they don't see much chance of resolution.

Thats fine you trust them.  But it still comes down to 100% speculation.  They aren't actual sources one can cite as "Cam Newton's camp says he won't play without a contract".  Because that is just dishonest.

 

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Now, per Jourdan Rodrigue, Rivera and Hurney actually would be willing to extend Newton but Tepper is not.

Citation?

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

So that leaves us with the other side, Newton playing out the final year of his deal. Could he change his mind on that? Sure he could

Once again.  There is absolutely no source stating Newton has decided to sit out his final year.

You really are trying extremely hard to turn speculation into facts to suit your narrative.  Its borderline straight up lying and extremely dishonest.

[weyco2000]

5 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I am not gonna say that is for sure true but I know that Cam was the only elite player we have on offense and carried the bulk of the load. He's out and the other elite player on offense is having the wheels run off of him. Just saying.....

Cam admitted himself that he withheld information so he could play. His injury was from a freak accident, not from bearing the load of a franchise. 

[PantherFanInPhilly]

21 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Factoring in a lot of things, including the comments quoted by Josh Klein on the Roaring Riot page, I feel like it's safe to say that Tepper is prepared to embrace a rebuild.

I would see letting Newton go as part of that, though it's also a matter of judgment. Rodrigue reported that Tepper was already questioning the wisdom of extending Newton when he first bought the Panthers. It's not like the last two years have done much to assure him.

The question then becomes do you try to rebound quickly or do you take the time to try to build for the long term?

Sorry if you've already answered this somewhere else, but which comments from Josh were you referring to?

[SOJA]

Starts with the GM, we need a guy who is a really good talent evaluator and isn't stuck in the 80s or 90s 

Then we need a coach who is flexible and can adapt. My dream hire would have actually been Kyle Shannahan and he's KILLING it right now with the 9ers 

I say we hire Lincoln, swing for the fences 

[Mr. Scot]

22 minutes ago, PantherFanInPhilly said:

Sorry if you've already answered this somewhere else, but which comments from Josh were you referring to?

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