Supposing we do hire McDaniels, Caserio or both

[top dawg]

4 minutes ago, raz said:

i believe he was stupid enough to do illegal taping with denver after his previous franchise had already been caught doing it.   i think linvillegorge said he was in co at the time mcd was coach and it was a mess of gigantic proportions

 

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

He was caught doing some filming shenanigans in Denver during his time there.

Now that's pretty stupid, and it shows a serious lack of judgement. I'm still more bothered by him actually picking Teebeau (You see that? LOL). I mean, I wouldn't be enthralled with McD, but I ain't putting the team down because of a little cheating. Hell, even we've cheated before. 

[raz]

55 minutes ago, top dawg said:

 

Now that's pretty stupid, and it shows a serious lack of judgement. I'm still more bothered by him actually picking Teebeau (You see that? LOL). I mean, I wouldn't be enthralled with McD, but I ain't putting the team down because of a little cheating. Hell, even we've cheated before. 

the steroid fueled o-line in '03?   

[NYPantherFan]

1 hour ago, SuperBowlBound said:

A few things on McDaniels. Did he fail in Denver and get fired? Yes. He was also 33 years old at the time of his hiring. Bill Belichick got fired once too. I'm not saying McDaniels is the second coming of Belichick, but it's important to remember how young he was.

In regards to what he pulled with Indianapolis, I definitely understand any skepticism. From what I've read and heard on numerous interviews, McDaniels would only want to join an organization that is stable from an ownership situation and not a clown show like Cleveland or the Giants. Jim Irsay isn't on the level of Haslam in Cleveland but he's got some nuttiness to him.

In regards to the Patriots offense this season, they are beyond abysmal when it comes to their skill position players, think 2010 Panthers minus Smitty of course. They've also played in games with insane weather elements (wind in Philly & rain game vs. Dallas). Their offensive line has been hit with injuries. The Patriots are great on defense and special teams so they're not going to go crazy on offense to potentially put their defense in a bad spot. Also, Brady is old.

I'm not saying I'd love the hire. But it's possible that he's learned from his mistakes and that will make him a better coach the second time around. 

Nice avi by the way @NYPantherFan, I like your style.

My main concern with McDaniels is whether or not he can build culture in the locker room and walk in and command the room. I look around the league and those who have sustained long term success have the ability to do that (Carrol, Belichick, Payton, Reid - I'll even throw Rivera in that group to an extent based on the reactions from former players).

He was known as a control freak in Denver, possibly overcompensating for his age and trying to prove a point. I don't know if I want that type of personality in Carolina and I don't see that meshing well with Tepper. I've read that teams should have a checks and balances system in place if they were to hire McDaniels in order to avoid what happened in Denver. Perhaps a package deal with Caserio would solve that.

Were there any names reported on who was joining his staff in Indy? It would be interesting if Patricia is let go in Detroit and his name is added to team up with McDaniels as DC.

[Mr. Scot]

I don't think it ever got that for in Indianapolis. You could always take a look back at who was on his staff in Denver. That's what I'll probably do.

[Mr. Scot]

Albert Breer offered some possible insight into where the Kraft connection comes from.

Apparently Bob Kraft was a huge advocate of Tepper during the process where he was bidding for the Panthers.

That kinda makes sense.

[Jared Patterson]

When are we going to start seeing some movement in the front office/coaching search? Will it be after the season is over?

[Happy Panther]

3 minutes ago, Jared Patterson said:

When are we going to start seeing some movement in the front office/coaching search? Will it be after the season is over?

Probably. Unless a dream coach from the college ranks signs up. We can't really do much with current NFL coaches during the season...

[Mr. Scot]

20 minutes ago, Jared Patterson said:

When are we going to start seeing some movement in the front office/coaching search? Will it be after the season is over?

Happy is correct. Most of what's likely gonna be happening for the next few weeks will be behind the scenes research and such.

[NYPantherFan]

41 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I don't think it ever got that for in Indianapolis. You could always take a look back at who was on his staff in Denver. That's what I'll probably do.

Only names I came across were the staff that had already signed up in Indy and stayed. Matt Eberflus was his DC pick. He might be an under the radar guy to consider.

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, NYPantherFan said:

Only names I came across were the staff that had already signed up in Indy and stayed. Matt Eberflus was his DC pick. He might be an under the radar guy to consider.

Eberflus might be getting head coaching consideration himself, though I don't think it'll come from us.

[joemac]

18 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

I will leave the puppies be. 

I just can’t stomach that guy. Maybe I’m being unfair but to me everything about him screams douchebag par egg say lontz.

On top of everything else he drafted The Golden Calf of Bristol in the first. I just don’t think I’m at a meaningful risk of confronting that reality.

All this revisionist history is getting OLD. People act like Teblow was some second rate prospect. Dude was one of the greatest college QBs in the history of the game. Won everything possible, and won a playoff game in Denver.  Did he end up sucking? Yeah....but to act like merely drafting the man is some giant indictment on McDaniels as a whole, or his coaching ability, is retarded.  Josh had a lot of help making that decision.

[joemac]

1 hour ago, raz said:

the steroid fueled o-line in '03?   

You think the Panthers were the only team taking things like that back then?

[1of10Charnatives]

10 minutes ago, joemac said:

All this revisionist history is getting OLD. People act like Teblow was some second rate prospect. Dude was one of the greatest college QBs in the history of the game. Won everything possible, and won a playoff game in Denver.  Did he end up sucking? Yeah....but to act like merely drafting the man is some giant indictment on McDaniels as a whole, or his coaching ability, is retarded.  Josh had a lot of help making that decision.

umm...The Golden Calf of Bristol was without question a great college qb, but he was at the time almost universally regarded as a middling to subpar pro qb prospect to the point some NFL people off the record suggested he should seriously consider switching to TE. There is no revisionist history in suggesting The Golden Calf of Bristol was not universally regarded as a first round prospect. Revisionist history would be claiming it wasn't a pretty big surprise when he WAS drafted in the first. McDaniel definately went against the grain in drafting him that high and history has proven it was not only a disastrous decision, but an entirely unexpected one by most professional observers accounts.

[Mr. Scot]

I never in my life saw passing mechanics as flat out awful as I did when watching Te-bow.

Used to say to a friend of mine "that's not passing the ball, it's flinging it".