Fewell Presser

[Cuttinedge]

28 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

Not only does Seattle have a bad defense, they generate almost no pressure on QBs

It's ideal circumstance to put Grier now

No pass rush 

Well that seals the deal. They’ll probably set a single game sack record against us 

[AceBoogie]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

Our pass blocking is one sack from worst in the NFL and has been among the historically worst. Allen has been sacked 44 times in 11 games. Cam was sacked 6 times in two games. That’s a pace of 62 sacks. That would be the 5th most sacks of a QB all time according to PFR. Here’s the link: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_sacked_single_season.htm

I’d say we have a historically bad pass blocking unit. Top 8 worst, yeah, in NFL history.

By the way Cam’s highest sack total was 43, in 2013 when Gross was still playing. Every other year has been in the 30s. We are on pace to give up 62 almost twice Cam’s average. Can we stop this meme that this OL as constructed is anything more than historically bad even though we injected an extra $15M and 3 draft picks into it?

A lot of those sacks are on #7

[staffcurtis]

33 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

Not only does Seattle have a bad defense, they generate almost no pressure on QBs

It's ideal circumstance to put Grier now

No pass rush 

They won't put Grier in because he COULD win.  This is Teppers way of losing out to get his QB in the draft and trade Cam.

[AceBoogie]

48 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This isn't a Seahawks team of old. They're the worst defense left on our schedule. They're #22 overall and #29 in sacks. They're honestly a pretty poor defense.

Spoken like a guy who hasn’t watched the Seahawks this year. They’re an inconsistent defense but they have spurts of dominance. Clowney can take over games. 

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Spoken like a guy who hasn’t watched the Seahawks this year. They’re an inconsistent defense but they have spurts of dominance. Clowney can take over games. 

Kyle Allen has had spurts of looking like a good QB, that doesn't mean you're a good QB. Everyone in the NFL has talent and has the capability of making good plays on any given Sunday. But, the numbers are what they are. They're not a good D. If you're not consistent, you're not good.

[raz]

i think allen could be pretty darn good behind a great line.   i don't know if there will be more than 2 or 3 teams in the nfl in any given year with a great line.    the days of the pocket passer may just be gone thanks to college o's and the limited amount of practice time players get in the nfl now, which according to the ex oline talking heads is more important for them than anyone else

[stratocatter]

13 minutes ago, staffcurtis said:

They won't put Grier in because he COULD win.  This is Teppers way of losing out to get his QB in the draft and trade Cam.

This is interesting because if Grier is good, all of a sudden a lot of the Hurney narrative is invalid. And we'd have a good QB which of course would be great too.

But I don't think it is right. I'd like to see for curiosity but I don't need to see and my curiosity isn't a major concern for the organization.

[LinvilleGorge]

28 minutes ago, stbugs said:

OMG, you guys are so freaking worried that Cam will be gone that you can’t read. Our OL is historically bad and you are trying to defend them and act like Allen is creating pressure.

For fugs sake, I’m not saying Allen is good but you guys in here are trying to act like they are and everything is Allen’s fault. The run D is historically bad and our D is 28th in scoring defense. Our OL is as bad as a tanking Miami team and will be top 5 worst in NFL history at giving up sacks.

I think it's a little bit of both. The OL sucks, but Allen is also failing to get the ball out as fast as the offense dictates at times as well. Kyle's average time to throw is 16th in the NFL this season, so perfectly middle of the pack. Cam's average time to throw last season would be tied for 10th. Not a TON faster, but that split second is often times the difference between getting a pass off and getting (strip) sacked. In the first two weeks of the season, Cam was #1 in week 1 and #6 in week two in terms of average time to throw. The offense was and is designed to get the ball out FAST. Kyle isn't doing that. So yes, the OL sucks but Kyle isn't upholding his end of the bargain by getting the ball out fast either.

[GoPanthers123]

Just play Allen all the way to the end.  He is solid except for 1-2 throws that are in double coverage, just stop making a few bad decisions and you are good to go.

[Gesualdo]

2 hours ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

Grier was neither of those. I was feet away from Grier 70% of the game and he was laughing and goofing off while we were getting our asses kicked.

no one reacted to this. how bad was it?

[J.B.]

4 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

To be fair if the Panthers multi million dollar coaching staff needs my help in evaluating Will Grier, I gotta tell ya fellas, we’re in worse shape than we thought.

You can’t evaluate a player by practice and walk throughs alone. Nothing replicates real game experience. This season is lost and all decisions  for the next three games should be about evaluating/developing the 2020 roster. Grier needs to see the field so that the new GM can decide if we are in the round 1 QB business or not

[1of10Charnatives]

2 minutes ago, J.B. said:

You can’t evaluate a player by practice and walk throughs alone. Nothing replicates real game experience. This season is lost and all decisions  for the next three games should be about evaluating/developing the 2020 roster. Grier needs to see the field so that the new GM can decide if we are in the round 1 QB business or not

To be fair if the Panthers multi million dollar coaching staff needs my help in evaluating Will Grier, I gotta tell ya fellas, we’re in worse shape than we thought.

[J.B.]

51 minutes ago, staffcurtis said:

They won't put Grier in because he COULD win.  This is Teppers way of losing out to get his QB in the draft and trade Cam.

If they think Grier could be a winner then we are not drafting a round 1 QB. 

[1of10Charnatives]

55 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

A lot of those sacks are on #7

I've watched every game Cam Newton has ever played. Except for yesterday (I had friends over for dinner and just couldn't take it anymore) I've watched every game Kyle Allen has ever played for us. I'm sorry, but even though I'm far more of a Cam Newton fan, Allen gets rid of the ball faster than Cam did on average. Allen sometimes holds the ball. Cam held the ball a LOT, admittedly this was often due to the nature of the offense he was in, but he also tended to hold onto the ball past the point that the rush first made contact and he still could have effectively thrown it away.

Far far more often than Allen holding the ball too long has been Allen having effectively no time to even survey his options, and I say that as someone not excited about Allen starting any more games for us at all. Laying the bulk of the blame at Allen's feet for the preponderance of sacks is just not realistic imo and doesn't represent an honest impresssion of someone watching the game without being particularly invested in him positively or negatively.  Allen definately has his shortcomings, but I think far more of the blame for the historic sack rate lies with the line. 

Just my two cents.