The QB talk is really a moot point at this moment.

[Woodie]

8 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Why do people keep saying this? It literally NEVER happens!

What new head coach comes to a team with a proven franchise-level (former league MVP) QB and decides he wants to bring in his own guy? When did this happen? You guys keep saying it like it's common place, but for the life of me I can't remember one time a veteran franchise QB was released by a new HC unless he was on the way out anyway. 

Franchise QBs are too hard to come by to take a gamble with a rookie. No other team is gonna trade or release their franchise QB for you to pick up, so it's either draft a new one or pick up a vet journeyman to fill in. That ish is INSANE! Cam is the Panthers QB until he proves he can't stay healthy anymore. Then and only then will he be released. It makes NO sense to take any other approach. JEEZZUUSS!!!

The situation with Cam is definitely unique and far from clear cut.  First of all, he was a FORMER MVP, but due to injuries, hasn't played like that in a long time.  And the problem here is that we don't know how close he will get to being completely healthy, or how long he can stay healthy.  So, that in and of itself is one reason a new coach may want to move on from Cam.  Any team that is willing to bring him in (or even if we keep him) is taking a risk that he will get back to health and able to be what he once was.  Although I could also see some teams wanting to bring in his personality to spice up an otherwise rundown or apathetic fan base.

The other thing is that even during his MVP season, there were coaches that did not love his style of play.  Some prefer a traditional in the pocket QB that can make precision passes.  If the coach does not fully embrace the whole running QB thing, then he likely will want to move on from Cam and bring in someone that fits his scheme better.

And that's not an indictment of Cam, but just a difference in philosophies and style.

[raleigh-panther]

I see no scenario in which getting rid of  mvp and team captain who carried this team for years is a winner 

butts in seats are needed and he provides that love him or hate Him

get a decent talent evaluator in here 

draft best ot on the first   No I have no belief in Little 

draft best interior oline in the second and third 

free agency for stop gaps  remember two starting dts on ir return On defense 

for years, this teams first went on defense and here we are 

if you can’t protect the qb, or run the ball to get a foot, trouble in the new nfl 

 

[Sgt Schultz]

To give perhaps the most relevant answer to the question, the soap opera of As the Stomach Turns starring Jay Cutler and Josh McDaniels.

Officially, Cutler asked to be traded and was given his wish.  That was after Shanahan was fired, McDaniels was hired, and the report/rumor surfaced that the Broncos were entertaining trade offers.  Connect those dots as you will.

You can argue Cutler was not Cam, but at the time in Denver he was the starting QB and they were expecting/hoping for great things.  And Cam has not been Cam, and nobody knows for sure whether he ever will be again.

And they replaced Cutler with......<drum roll, please> Kyle Orton.  Great move, right there.

[MVPccaffrey]

The new coach coming in and pushing #1 out would be some karmic payback, I admit, against the part of the fanbase that projected nothing but vitriol against Coach Rivera for just about 9 years, considering the overlap with that part of the fanbase and those whose primary rooting interest is directed to #1.  Miss Rivera yet?

[kungfoodude]

54 minutes ago, Panthera onca said:

Pie for using moot instead of mute.

There are lots of points on here that should be mute, in fairness.

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

To give perhaps the most relevant answer to the question, the soap opera of As the Stomach Turns starring Jay Cutler and Josh McDaniels.

Officially, Cutler asked to be traded and was given his wish.  That was after Shanahan was fired, McDaniels was hired, and the report/rumor surfaced that the Broncos were entertaining trade offers.  Connect those dots as you will.

You can argue Cutler was not Cam, but at the time in Denver he was the starting QB and they were expecting/hoping for great things.  And Cam has not been Cam, and nobody knows for sure whether he ever will be again.

And they replaced Cutler with......<drum roll, please> Kyle Orton.  Great move, right there.

Don't forget that other guy they drafted.

[Sgt Schultz]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Don't forget that other guy they drafted.

I was trying not to mention that.  I just ate.

But, yeah.  Let's compound the Orton move by drafting that guy.....with a first round pick, no less. 

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I was trying not to mention that.  I just ate.

But, yeah.  Let's compound the Orton move by drafting that guy.....with a first round pick, no less. 

Here's a question...

If your only choices for running your draft are Josh McDaniels or Marty Hurney, what do you do?

(Marty running the first round only is not an option)

[kungfoodude]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Here's a question...

If your only choices for running your draft are Josh McDaniels or Marty Hurney, what do you do?

(Marty running the first round only is not an option)

Hurney. At least one pick will be good.

Can I fire them both the next year?

[Sgt Schultz]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Here's a question...

If your only choices for running your draft are Josh McDaniels or Marty Hurney, who do you take?

(Marty running the first round only is not an option)

I have no answer to that.  Based on limited returns on McDaniels (2010 for sure was his, I don't remember how much control he had over the 2009 draft), it looks about like being asked how you want to die.  And old age is not an allowable answer.

Just now, kungfoodude said:

Hurney. At least one pick will be good.

Can I fire them both the next year?

That is probably the best answer.

The Broncos did take Demaryius Thomas with their first pick in 2010, so they didn't just jump right to the Golden Calf.  But after Thomas was a "lotta nuthin."

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I have no answer to that.  Based on limited returns on McDaniels (2010 for sure was his, I don't remember how much control he had over the 2009 draft), it looks about like being asked how you want to die.  And old age is not an allowable answer.

That is probably the best answer.

The Broncos did take Demaryius Thomas with their first pick in 2010, so they didn't just jump right to the Golden Calf.  But after Thomas was a "lotta nuthin."

Can I also disallow trading up for any player? 

Actually, check that, can we just have an unwritten rule that we make a list of all Hurney's "trade up" players and just strike them off the draft board entirely? It's a simple system that could be put in place on draft days. 

[cmichd]

2 hours ago, mc52beast said:

Too many unknowns with Cam. If he’s healthy next year great, how many games does he play before he’s hurt again? Does Cam really want to be in Charlotte? Will he play without an extension? 
 

One thing we do know about our qb position is that neither Allen or Grier is the answer going into 2020.

Well we know one thing.....one or the other will be the 2nd or 3rd QB next year. 

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[TheMostInterestingMan]

3 hours ago, Forty-Eight said:

I want to watch the draft with you only to see your volcanic eruption meltdown when we don’t draft Tua and the lingering smoke pouring from your ears when he slides down the draft...

[Navy_football]

3 hours ago, MHS831 said:

yes, he was MVP in what will be a half-decade earlier.  Matt Ryan was the MVP the following year.  What he has done is not important when you consider his last 2 years.  Anyone would be concerned.  How many seasons are we going to waste until Cam proves he can't stay healthy anymore?  I think they know something about Cam that we do not. 

If I am a coach and I have a system that Cam does not fit, I am not sticking with the player because he was awesome in 2015.  I might keep him for 2020 because of the contract if nobody takes him in a trade, but I would build the OL and DL for a season.  I am not signing him to a long-term deal, however. 

Right and when Dan Quinn is fired this year, do you think the next HC will be looking for Ryan's replacement? Was Reich looking for Luck's replacement when he came in? Cam has missed one season due to injury. Granted he played hurt a number of games last season, but he only missed 2 games due to injury. And let's please stop saying Cam hasn't done anything since 2015. He has been a very good QB with a very bad/mediocre offensive supporting cast for most of his tenure. How could anyone not be excited to see him come back with the skilled players the team has now, is beyond me. He showed just last season that he could be an effective pocket passing QB with a competent OC - at least until JJ's little brother knocked his friggin shoulder out of alignment. But that could happen to any player, particularly one playing behind a such a sham of an offensive line. 

Long term deal right now - no way, I agree. I'd probably want to at least see him running around first. But after that, I'm all in. 

Agree also to fixing the OL and DL. That's the crux of this team right now. But we're talking 2 players on the OL, and 2 players on the DL, and the whole complexion of the team changes. Not world beaters, but competent NFL-level players. Right now we're missing that in a few positions and teams are targetting/abusing them every game.