Should the Panthers go all in on Joe Burrow?

[Happy Panther]

The obvious answer is NO but the hiring of Joe Brady changes that from a hard NO to a soft no.

One of the most successful QB/OC duos in college history.

I'm still no because of the QB talent in the draft and the possibility that Cam is back to Cam and maybe we find a vet backup. Plus I like draft picks.

Anyone want to make the case?

Also yes this is currently the topic on Speak for Yourself. Don't poo me.

 

[thefuzz]

Under no circumstances.

Between the draft capitol that we would have to give up, paired with our terrible O Line, we may ruin him before he gets out of the gate.

We aren't a QB away, if we were, my tune would be different.

[*FreeFua*]

The entire landscape of this rebuild hinges on Tepper’s decision on Cam.

If Cam is cut loose then I’d seriously consider trading up

We could have up to 70 mill in cap space to surround Burrow with proper pieces 

[1of10Charnatives]

I strongly suspect Cam playing for us long term just dropped almost to zero with Luke’s retirement.

But that aside, I don't favor going all in on Burrow because I think what it would take to get him would rob us of any chance of giving him a line that won’t get him killed. It’s hard to have a dynamic offense of your qb has to get rid of the ball in under a second or risk getting creamed.

[LinvilleGorge]

If you have his college OC and everyone is convinced he's an elite franchise QB, then yes.

With QB salaries these days, the value of a franchise QB on a rookie contract for five years is pretty much invaluable.

[thefuzz]

3 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

The entire landscape of this rebuild hinges on Tepper’s decision on Cam.

If Cam is cut loose then I’d seriously consider trading up

We could have up to 70 mill in cap space to surround Burrow with proper pieces 

Gotta be honest, the "proper pieces" that we would need to get to have a proper offense are linemen, and the recent free agent offensive linemen that have switched teams isn't real inspiring.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

If you have his college OC and everyone is convinced he's an elite franchise QB, then yes.

With QB salaries these days, the value of a franchise QB on a rookie contract for five years is pretty much invaluable.

So you would give up nearly 2 full drafts for one player?  Think about how long it will take to build a team without a draft for 2 years.  No, you never give up that much for one player I don't care who that player is.  You guys are nuts.

[saX man]

I mean, the important guy we’re forgetting that we can work with the Lions to get is Tua.

if he checks out medically, then he is worth the trade up to 3 but I do get why many will exhibit caution. The talent with him is too good IMO.

Joe Brady and Tua Tag 

What would it take to go from 7 to 3?

According to value charts, our second and a future 3rd-4th. I think that’s worth the risk especially if we’re trading Cam and getting more draft capital. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Jon Snow said:

So you would give up nearly 2 full drafts for one player?  Think about how long it will take to build a team without a draft for 2 years.  No, you never give up that much for one player I don't care who that player is.  You guys are nuts.

It won't to two entire draft classes. Per the trade value chart, it's roughly #7, this year's 2nd, and next year's 1st. Would I give up that? Yep.

Especially considering we'll get something back by then moving Cam. Who knows, maybe the Bengals would want Cam themselves.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, saX man said:

I mean, the important guy we’re forgetting that we can work with the Lions to get is Tua.

if he checks out medically, then he is worth the trade up to 3 but I do get why many will exhibit caution. The talent with him is too good IMO.

Joe Brady and Tua Tag 

What would it take to go from 7 to 3?

According to value charts, our second and a future 3rd-4th. I think that’s worth the risk especially if we’re trading Cam and getting more draft capital. 

True. Tua is a fantastic prospect IF he checks out medically.

I'm just going to struggle being sold on moving on from Cam due to injury concerns to make a big move on a college QB with serious injury concerns.

[*FreeFua*]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

Gotta be honest, the "proper pieces" that we would need to get to have a proper offense are linemen, and the recent free agent offensive linemen that have switched teams isn't real inspiring.

Well there isn’t going to be a ton of change in our OL. 

Paradis - Turner - Moton probably aren’t going anywhere.

We just drafted Little and Daley. Daley will likely be our LG. 

I personally don’t want to see us banking on Little being healthy. We could sign Conklin and move Moton over to LT or we could sign Castonzo and have Little back him up.

I keep seeing everyone screaming fix the OL but 3/5 of our line is most likely staying put. And the other 2 were just drafted so they’re most likely still high on them

[Reebis21]

For all the Trading up to 3 with Lions talk, just remember their mgmt and coaching staff was given one year by ownership to start winning. So anything involving future picks, isn’t going to be as valuable to them 

[Jon Snow]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It won't to two entire draft classes. Per the trade value chart, it's roughly #7, this year's 2nd, and next year's 1st. Would I give up that? Yep.

Especially considering we'll get something back by then moving Cam. Who knows, maybe the Bengals would want Cam themselves.

Cam won't be traded.  He will be released and maybe you get 3rd next year but let's just drop this fantasy trade idea.  And Burrow will cost more than the value chart indicates you can bank on that. 

This team is NOT one player away from competing.  They need way more draft picks than they have.   

[thefuzz]

Just now, *FreeFua* said:

Well there isn’t going to be a ton of change in our OL. 

Paradis - Turner - Moton probably aren’t going anywhere.

We just drafted Little and Daley. Daley will likely be our LG. 

I personally don’t want to see us banking on Little being healthy. We could sign Conklin and move Moton over to LT or we could sign Castonzo and have Little back him up.

I keep seeing everyone screaming fix the OL but 3/5 of our line is most likely staying put. And the other 2 were just drafted so they’re most likely still high on them

I agree with you, on who is staying, but that's still not "fixing" the line.  Trai isn't playing nearly as well as he did in years past, Paradis is flat out terrible, and we really can't count on Daley being a good starter.

We have a couple years to go to build this line correctly.