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DaveThePanther2008

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If Hurney goes rooting around in FA for another cast away LT when we still have to pay Kalil in 2020, then I will be tempted to write him a letter calling him a moron. Thomas might fall right into our lap. We might have some good luck for once. We can't screw it up looking for poop LTs in the bargain bin. That's not even funny. That would be sabotage.

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5 minutes ago, pantherj said:

If Hurney goes rooting around in FA for another cast away LT when we still have to pay Kalil in 2020, then I will be tempted to write him a letter calling him a moron. Thomas might fall right into our lap. We might have some good luck for once. We can't screw it up looking for poop LTs in the bargain bin. That's not even funny. That would be sabotage.

I would co-sign that letter.

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Does no one remember that we drafted Ryan Kalil in the 2nd round in 2007? He fell right into our lap. But didn't start until the last 3 games of 2008. And Travelle Wharton was drafted in the 3rd round in 2004, started the last 11 games of 2004 on one of the best O-lines we've had. And Trai Turner was drafted in the 3rd round in 2014 and didn't start until week 5 in 2014.

Sometimes gold happens in later rounds.

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50 minutes ago, GRWatcher said:

Hindsight is 20/20. Think back to draft day. We didn't have glaring holes at LG or C. Pradis was rehabbing but apparently passed the physical and GVR wasn't injured. LT was a big enough hole to drive a semi through. I can't speak to Hurney's choice with Little but I don't think he made the choice totally by himself. And, except for injuries, our O-line was fixed.

You are a tool, you're attitude towards anyone that disagrees is myopic and toxic. Must be nice to consider yourself a typing warrior. 

Lol. Get over yourself and stop being so damn sensitive. Your statement that we had to go LT was wrong. Moton in 3 or 4 games in 2018 looked better at LT than Daley or Little. If we had to, we could have moved him over for a year and made Daryl RT and given him the same TE support that made him good. We could have taken Bobby Evans at 77 if we hadn’t traded it away. He’s the starting RT for the Rams and he was in for a draft visit, just like McCoy. Marty knee these guys well enough. He just fell for Little and what he could possibly become and passed on Ryan Kalil and a pre-injured Daryl Williams. An obvious mistake.

We lost Norwell, Ryan Kalil and Matt Kalil. We chose to replace Matt Kalil with a 2nd, 3rd and 6th and we ignored the deepest spot in the draft, interior OL. The Saints, the guys kicking our asses lately in the draft chose the C we should have chosen. He who would have been way better than Van Roten. Van Roten was the worst graded G in 2018. He was a hole as big as LT.

We could have an excellent OL this year had we drafting the obvious studs instead of reaching and wasting picks. I’d even say that we could have Little and McCoy if we passed on Grier. Little was sliding like a rock. Take McCoy at 47 and trade up from 77 with 100 if you’re that scared.

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2 minutes ago, GRWatcher said:

Does no one remember that we drafted Ryan Kalil in the 2nd round in 2007? He fell right into our lap. But didn't start until the last 3 games of 2008. And Travelle Wharton was drafted in the 3rd round in 2004, started the last 11 games of 2004 on one of the best O-lines we've had. And Trai Turner was drafted in the 3rd round in 2014 and didn't start until week 5 in 2014.

Sometimes gold happens in later rounds.

It can absolutely happen, particularly with interior OL guys. It's not uncommon for no interior OL to go in the 1st and it's fairly common for none to go in the first 15-20 picks or so.

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3 minutes ago, GRWatcher said:

Does no one remember that we drafted Ryan Kalil in the 2nd round in 2007? He fell right into our lap. But didn't start until the last 3 games of 2008. And Travelle Wharton was drafted in the 3rd round in 2004, started the last 11 games of 2004 on one of the best O-lines we've had. And Trai Turner was drafted in the 3rd round in 2014 and didn't start until week 5 in 2014.

Sometimes gold happens in later rounds.

I don’t think Marty remembered Ryan in the 2nd. He had the chance to do it all over taking McCoy at 47 and screwing the Saints. Instead he went all Everette Brown, gotta trade up for no reason, ignore the stud available at a position of need. If you have a chance to pick a pro-bowl center when your last one just retired, you do that every time over a raw LT prospect. There are raw LT prospects every year way after 37.

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3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It can absolutely happen, particularly with interior OL guys. It's not uncommon for no interior OL to go in the 1st and it's fairly common for none to go in the first 15-20 picks or so.

Exactly. We had a hole at LG and C. Paradis was a stop gap regardless. His contract basically is a 2 year deal so a guy like McCoy can be LG year 1/2 and then takeover. Or as bad as Paradis played, you start McCoy at C, where he ranked 4th best in the NFL for our beloved Saints. What a pick McCoy is for us at 47. We get Ryan Kalil and the Saints have a huge gaping hole at C.

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53 minutes ago, pantherj said:

I don't think the Panthers are incompetent enough to try and fill our LT needs yet again in free agency. That would be moronic at this point. Thomas will be the pick if he's there.

 

 

I think they are definitely incompetent enough.

 

Anyway, here is all I am looking for.

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/12/19/lsu-joe-moore-award-alabama-ohio-state-oregon/

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55 minutes ago, Panthers.forever190 said:

I do think we go LT round 1 tbh. 

I've said this probably too much on here ....but the only way I would go LT is if there is a combine stud. I mean a super fast athletic tackle, otherwise there is no way you pass on D Brown. There are 5 line positions that you can improve and you can get a stop gap LT in FA as Greg Little improves. Little has actually shown athleticism, people talk about his concussions but I think they were both low grade.

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31 minutes ago, Matt62881 said:

I've said this probably too much on here ....but the only way I would go LT is if there is a combine stud. I mean a super fast athletic tackle, otherwise there is no way you pass on D Brown. There are 5 line positions that you can improve and you can get a stop gap LT in FA as Greg Little improves. Little has actually shown athleticism, people talk about his concussions but I think they were both low grade.

So you're saying we should replace moton? 

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33 minutes ago, Matt62881 said:

I've said this probably too much on here ....but the only way I would go LT is if there is a combine stud. I mean a super fast athletic tackle, otherwise there is no way you pass on D Brown. There are 5 line positions that you can improve and you can get a stop gap LT in FA as Greg Little improves. Little has actually shown athleticism, people talk about his concussions but I think they were both low grade.

I'm not sure Brown gets past Gettleman. He's taking a hog mollie - it'll either be an OT or Brown.

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1 minute ago, Panthers.forever190 said:

So you're saying we should replace moton? 

No he was easily our best lineman and would be better with a better center imo. Center effects guard wich effects tackle. My point was everyone is stuck on LT when it is just as important to upgrade the other positions mainly Center, LG, and honestly a future RG.

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