Marty's enormous BRAIN

[Car123]

12 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

apparently we had to make sure that kalil, davis, and olsen were kept bc they needed to retire on their own terms so they can retire as panthers. ppl were unhappy with the way players were departing and i’m sure jerry richardson wasn’t a fan of the offseason evaluation process that gettleman implemented.

3 years later, davis is a charger, kalil retired and then subsequently unretired and signed with the jets, and olsen left on not-so-agreeable terms.

was this all worth downgrading to a bottom-of-the-barrel GM?

Is it a downgrade when our GM has been better than our previous GM over the past two seasons?

[micnificent28]

I'm curious why most of the huddle thinks Daley and little are fine... yet are demanding we draft a left tackle at 7...

[Madwolf]

2 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

I'm curious why most of the huddle thinks Daley and little are fine... yet are demanding we draft a left tackle at 7...

It's not the same people. 

The people saying Daley and Little are fine are insisting we take a WR in the deepest WR draft class in a long time.

[micnificent28]

1 hour ago, Madwolf said:

It's not the same people. 

The people saying Daley and Little are fine are insisting we take a WR in the deepest WR draft class in a long time.

so you think they are fine 2? I wouldnt close myself off to wr either if we are sold on the tackles of the future. Juedy in particular. but I would go okudah, simmons and Dt as well.

[TheRed]

Oh geez, we are so beyond this Dave Gettleman stuff it might as well have been ten years ago. Much bigger concerns moving forward, what's done is done. We need a new GM, but we also need an identity, and a team culture. Right now we might as well have a comparable culture with the Cleveland Browns, and we are potentially moving on from Newton. That's dumpster fire status right there. Not to mention upcoming FA's and guys we could try to bring in are going to be apprehensive with the way the front office has conducted themselves throughout this clusterfug.

[Billy Love]

1 hour ago, micnificent28 said:

I'm curious why most of the huddle thinks Daley and little are fine... yet are demanding we draft a left tackle at 7...

Simple. Because here in the HUDDLE, 2 + 2 = 5 and next year our team will be a better version of the 2015 Panthers And we’ll be bringing home the Lombardi Trophy.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, micnificent28 said:

I'm curious why most of the huddle thinks Daley and little are fine... yet are demanding we draft a left tackle at 7...

Who thinks they're fine and what are they basing this off of?

Both looked worse and worse the more they played and Little wasn't available much due to injury. The guy some want to pencil in at LT has to both play a lot better AND prove he can stay healthy. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, Car123 said:

Is it a downgrade when our GM has been better than our previous GM over the past two seasons?

Not quite the same situation. The Giants were facing a total rebuild when DG took over. He's made some unpopular decisions, but he appears to have started building a team and has a plan in mind. Hurney went into this last draft swinging for the fences thinking we were 1 or 2 pieces away from the SB. I think our last draft made very little sense given the offseason we were looking at. 

[Billy Love]

6 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Not quite the same situation. The Giants were facing a total rebuild when DG took over. He's made some unpopular decisions, but he appears to have started building a team and has a plan in mind. Hurney went into this last draft swinging for the fences thinking we were 1 or 2 pieces away from the SB. I think our last draft made very little sense given the offseason we were looking at. 

This ^

[Car123]

32 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Not quite the same situation. The Giants were facing a total rebuild when DG took over. He's made some unpopular decisions, but he appears to have started building a team and has a plan in mind. Hurney went into this last draft swinging for the fences thinking we were 1 or 2 pieces away from the SB. I think our last draft made very little sense given the offseason we were looking at. 

What do you mean swinging for the fences? Rivera wanted 3-4 pass rushers and that’s what he drafted. Unless you believe Hurney thought Grier was the missing piece.

Giants went 4-12.

[SmokinwithWilly]

Just now, Car123 said:

What do you mean swinging for the fences? Rivera wanted 3-4 pass rushers and that’s what he drafted. Unless you believe Hurney thought Grier was the missing piece. 

Outside of Little and Burns, no one from last years draft was expected to contribute much, if at all. Rivera was on the outs as a coach. If he had a losing season, he's gone, if he has a winning season, maybe he stays depending on if it's 9-7 or a one and done wild card loss. Either way, the Burns pick made sense, IF, the next coach you plan on getting is going to run a 3-4. If back to a 4-3, he may not fit well and that's a first round pick based on your faith in Rivera. 

Little's stock was sliding after combine, senior bowl, private workouts etc. We traded up for a guy who wasn't going to be a day 1 starter, giving up 2 picks to shore up the interior of our line in an extremely deep IOL class were we were very weak. I was not sold on Paradis or Williams. Big guys, leg injuries. We could have had McCoy with our 2nd, and Winovich with our 3rd, both players I wanted very badly win those 2 rounds who were there at our pick. A lot of people did. 

Grier was never going to be the answer as a rookie, and going with Allen as an UDFA, and Cam coming off injury made no sense. Cam goes down and there is virtually zero experience at backup QB. That pick could have, and should have been CGJ. 

There would have been no need to take Miller in the 4th, having taken Winovich in the 3rd. Could have picked up one of several guards available, again deep IOL draft. Move Moton to LT, put DW back at RT, line is much better off. 

rounds 5-7 are usually depth pieces, not really expected to do much. 

So why I say Hurney swung for the fences is the 1st round was based on the want of a coach with one foot out the door (Burns), the 2nd (with a 3rd) on a guy that Hurney had rated in the 1st when no one else did, and a 3rd on a QB our OC loved, who would be out the door with Rivera if the season tanked. The whole damn draft was a swing for the fences, and now we have holes everywhere, a shitton of FAs, the most dead cap in the league, and are coming off a 5-11 record. Hurney caved in to Ron again, and now Ron's gone, and the team is left with a 2019 draft that made no sense given what the team as a whole was facing. 

 

[pantherclaw]

Not sure what you're going to gleam from ancient history,  aka Hurney 1.0.

[tiger7_88]

9 hours ago, Waldo said:

If Hurney is leading this off-season process 

I really don't understand how people have concocted reasons as to how it can be anything else.

He's the GENERAL MANAGER.

Tepper *chose* to have him stay as the GENERAL MANAGER.

Tepper obviously LIKES him personally and professionally.

In other words...

HE'S THE GENERAL MANAGER.

Everyone needs to face the truth.

[micnificent28]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Who thinks they're fine and what are they basing this off of?

Both looked worse and worse the more they played and Little wasn't available much due to injury. The guy some want to pencil in at LT has to both play a lot better AND prove he can stay healthy. 

Well the thread op says just that.