Rhule decided he didn't need a former head coach on staff

[Mr. Scot]

34 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I think the real difference is you dont have coaches who are already told this wont work. If Rhule's staff is full of guys who are hungry and innovative, they will want to figure out how to make it work. Being inexperienced may end up being a good thing. It could be really bad too.

Which is cool...unless it actually won't work.

I mean, let's say he wanted to come in and run the Wildcat offense all the time. It'll be nice to have somebody around who could say "yeah Miami tried that".

[Mr. Scot]

39 minutes ago, lightsout said:

At the end of the day, football is football folks. The change from college to pro is about flexibility in what you can do offensively and defensively due to the kinds of athletes you can recruit vs your opponent's athletes. Then you have rules, and pacing due to TV timeouts, ref ball spotting, etc.

Chip Kelly failed because he tried to run the Oregon offense in the NFL and he did it right when defenses started changing to be more athletic across the board and negating some of the open field stuff Kelly was known for. Don't forget, that offense was explosive for two seasons. Kelly needed a Cam Newton type to truly run his offense how he wanted and he didn't have that late in his NFL career, so he struggled to field competent teams. Then there was talk about his poor leadership, his lack of building a good OL, add all that together and THAT is why he was fired. Not because he hired a bunch of college coaches and tried to run a college program. There's not even any indication that Rhule and Brady are going to run a college-style offense, because most colleges are now running pro systems or variations of them. The NFL adopted the spread and that is what you see a ton of, more than anything. The types of offenses between college and NFL aren't THAT different, it's just that traditional NFL play-call verbiage can be long or overly complicated where you don't need it to be necessarily. Colleges overly simplify in much the same way, which is where you see college QBs struggle coming into the league often.

Brady has experience within New Orleans, he ran a pretty solid pro-style spread at LSU. We will see an offense similar, if not identical, to that. Defensively, it's always about adapting to offenses at every level and we have a defensive staff that seems good to me on paper but what the hell do I know until they play?

Rhule is not Chip Kelly. They're not even kinda similar.

Chess is chess, but the best kid on the local high school team wouldn't last ten moves against a grandmaster.

It's fair to say that Rhule isn't Kelly. It's also fair to say that we really don't know whether he's going to do any better. Heck, he could end up being worse.

[Bama Panther]

I swear many on this board must walk around with black clouds over their heads. I’ve never seen such questioning pessimism about every little thing. Hope you all enjoy the offseason. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

37 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Which is cool...unless it actually won't work.

I mean, let's say he wanted to come in and run the Wildcat offense all the time. It'll be nice to have somebody around who could say "yeah Miami tried that".

I agree with that but I think these guys are smart enough to be able to recognize they cant use something all the time and that there are tried and true principles in the NFL. 

My hope is that instead of saying we cant use the wildcat and disregarding it altogether, they look at it and say what can I do from this formation no one has ever seen.

We need innovation and creativity after being stuck behind the defensive mindsets of Fox and Rivera. 

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I agree with that but I think these guys are smart enough to be able to recognize they cant use something all the time and that there are tried and true principles in the NFL. 

My hope is that instead of saying we cant use the wildcat and disregarding it altogether, they look at it and say what can I do from this formation no one has ever seen.

We need innovation and creativity after being stuck behind the defensive mindsets of Fox and Rivera. 

No argument on innovation. Rivera didn't even know what the word meant.

[WOW!!]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Rivera said that not hiring someone with NFL head coaching experience was one of his biggest mistakes.

That's what I remember and he was close to being fired in his 3rd year after losing to Buffalo..  The Rams way seem like a good system to copy.. Young innovative Head coach and offensive staff matched with a experienced defensive coordinator with a history in making good defense game plans and scheme...

 

[Snake]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Rhule strikes me as a guy who's very confident in himself.

That's not a bad thing if it's warranted.

It can be a disaster if it's not.

Huge boom or bust. Could be disastrous if he has early success. Fortunately we probably don't have the team for that. 

[kungfoodude]

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This whole experiment is going to be a raving success or an absolutely abysmal failure. I honestly don't see any room for gray area in between. It's either going to really work or it really won't.

That's pretty much my thought. We are either going to be a cautionary tale or start the next trend in the NFL of hiring college head coaches. 

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, Snake said:

Huge boom or bust. Could be disastrous if he has early success. Fortunately we probably don't have the team for that. 

I just hope he has the ability to learn from his failures. I suspect they are going to be early and often with the Panthers.

[Mr. Scot]

Honestly, mentioning Vermeil as a resource is kind of ironic.

As I recall, when Vermeil assembled his staff with the Rams, it included three or four former head coaches. And Vermeil himself was no rookie.

[thefuzz]

1 hour ago, Bama Panther said:

I swear many on this board must walk around with black clouds over their heads. I’ve never seen such questioning pessimism about every little thing. Hope you all enjoy the offseason. 

This is what happens when the teams QB missed all of last season, we melted down and lost a ton of games in a row, we fired our coach mid season, but kept the GM, then let him work on the new coaching hire even though everything points to him not being in the GM spot much longer, the best player on the team retires, and one of your stalwarts goes to work for a rival.

This team hasn't given us much to be really excited about in a LONG while, not sure how you can expect much optimism?

[Mr. Scot]

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

This whole experiment is going to be a raving success or an absolutely abysmal failure. I honestly don't see any room for gray area in between. It's either going to really work or it really won't.

I think a lot of people feel that way. And yeah, it's more interesting than being consistently mediocre like with Rivera.

Whether or not it's more fun? Guess that depends on which result plays out.

[TheSpecialJuan]

4 hours ago, rodeo said:

it's a good call, need to minimize boomer influence

[jackson113]

In Rhule I trust. His team let him build it his way.