Cam forced into a trade

[*FreeFua*]

2 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

WFNZ-AM/FM

 

@wfnz

 

"If Colin Jones didn't want to be part of a rebuild...why would the 30-year old franchise QB?

But the huddle told me we were “retooling”

[klumme]

Its a business and we need the cap to sign backup players huge startermoney.  

[lightsout]

Just now, kass said:

This scenario is heck of a lot more likely than yours...

Panthers have tried to trade him, which has been rumored for months, but couldn't find a trade partner.
Next step is to see if Cam and his agent can get a trade done.
Most likely they will not. And then Cam will be cut.

Which will anger people and that's why Panthers try do some damage control by "blaming" Cam for this situation. We all have seen the writing on the wall. To me, whats been telling is whenever been asked about Cam, Rhule for example, always reacts like he is being cornered. Not a great sign for a "leader".

If this was about a contract situation, does anyone really thing that Panthers wouldn't announce that to the whole freaking world... Because then no one would blame them if Cam was let go because we all would understand that they dont want to give him a new contract with all the health concerns.

 

My scenario is based entirely around what is known, not rumored, and the way Cam has posted in the recent months. His whole "I want a little commitment" sounds like somebody not getting an extension while in the final year of their contract and being arguably the best player in the history of the franchise.

Yours depends on rumor being true. Also, NOBODY in the league is willing to trade for Cam Newton? That is absurd to me. Rhule never came off as "cornered" to me so much as "far as I know, I'm expecting him here. I've talked to him, we get along, I like him". Rhule is staying in his lane. He's the coach. He doesn't make personnel decisions. He might not be as blunt and hard as Ron (Ron likely responds to that with "he's in rehab and I don't make personnel decisions, that's a Marty or Mr. Tepper question"), but I don't think he ever tried to squirm away from anything.

[CanadianCat]

Why are we all acting shocked about this? We knew this was coming for MONTHS!

Yeah it sucks but I would rather be a team that gets rid of a player too early than too late. 

[Silent Majority]

Regardless how you feel about Cam, there had to have been a more tactful and amicable way to part ways. Of course the chew tobacco...spit contingent, from the top to the bottom of this fan base are and will continue with the subliminals and "I told you sos".

[DeAngelo Beason]

Everyone is losing their minds about losing fan favorites, but the truth of the matter is that these fan favorites as a unit have utterly failed to bring sustained success.  

[Mr. Scot]

32 minutes ago, WoahW said:

He is guaranteed $20 million though. I remember when the whole rumor of him not willing to play on a one year deal got brought up. Hell 3 weeks ago those who started that rumor backed off saying he was willing too. We’ll never know for sure unless Tepper is honest and addresses it with 100% truth which we can’t expect from him or Hurney at this point 

If I recall correctly, he's only actually guaranteed about 2 million, but I'm not a salary cap guy.

As far as behind the scenes, the sequence sounds like this:

Newton wants an extension but the team won't give it to him, so it looks like they're headed for a divorce.

Newton changes his mind and decides he'll accept playing on the final year of his deal with the expectation that the team will agree to that and maybe he can work his way back to them wanting to extend him.

The team says all the right things in public, but in the background still refuses to commit to him beyond 2020, and they're only lukewarm about that year.

Meanwhile, they continue to put out trade feelers but they don't get the kind of offer they want, so they turn it over to Newton to seek his own trade.

Newton agrees, but it's still pissed about the team not being willing to commit to him.

And here we are...

[raz]

now can we get back to the panther fans, and not player specific fans - because that would be great

[Mr. Scot]

38 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

The lies and the mythology beginneth.

I think he was okay playing without an extension. He seemed to indicate that just a few months back.

Apparently, the Panthers were ready to move on regardless.

[WoahW]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

If I recall correctly, he's only actually guaranteed about 2 million, but I'm not a salary cap guy.

As far as behind the scenes, the sequence sounds like this:

Newton wants an extension but the team won't give it to him, so it looks like they're headed for a divorce.

Newton changes his mind and decides he'll accept playing on the final year of his deal with the expectation that the team will agree to that and maybe he can work his way back to them wanting to extend him.

The team says all the right things in public, but in the background still refuses to commit to him beyond 2020, and they're only lukewarm about that year.

Meanwhile, they continue to put out trade feelers but they don't get the kind of offer they want, so they turn it over to Newton to seek his own trade.

Newton agrees, but it's still pissed about the team not being willing to commit to him.

And here we are...

Wrong on all levels. 
 

Cam has said from the start he wants to be in Carolina he never once mentioned an extension ever. That’s all bs rumors that you tried to help start. 

Team is noncommittal and Cam wants a commitment as he wants to stay in Carolina

Team puts out feelers and gets nothing or nothing they want 

Team then says Cam is seeking a trade which Cam and Greg both refute meaning this is the 2nd time in months the team has tried to make it seem like a player wanted out when they didn’t. 
 

Stop filling poo with conjecture to help fill the gaps that you were right/Cam is okay with it. Use what’s presented not what you think might have happened 

[Mr. Scot]

34 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, massively overpaying to get free agents is a great way to get back on track.

Drafting well...

 

Yeah, I know 

[CatfanMO]

Cam is gonna be the next Patriot QB. BB will get an NFL MVP for nothing. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, WoahW said:

Wrong on all levels. 
 

Cam has said from the start he wants to be in Carolina he never once mentioned an extension ever. That’s all bs rumors that you tried to help start. 

Team is noncommittal and Cam wants a commitment as he wants to stay in Carolina

Team puts out feelers and gets nothing or nothing they want 

Team then says Cam is seeking a trade which Cam and Greg both refute meaning this is the 2nd time in months the team has tried to make it seem like a player wanted out when they didn’t. 
 

Stop filling poo with conjecture to help fill the gaps that you were right/Cam is okay with it. Use what’s presented not what you think might have happened 

If you say so, chief 

I don't doubt that Newton wants to stay in Carolina, but here's the thing: You can't stay in Carolina without an extension. So if Newton really wants to stay in Carolina, then guess what?

The bottom line is that the team isn't as committed to Newton as he is to them.

[kass]

5 minutes ago, lightsout said:

My scenario is based entirely around what is known, not rumored, and the way Cam has posted in the recent months. His whole "I want a little commitment" sounds like somebody not getting an extension while in the final year of their contract and being arguably the best player in the history of the franchise.

Yours depends on rumor being true. Also, NOBODY in the league is willing to trade for Cam Newton? That is absurd to me. Rhule never came off as "cornered" to me so much as "far as I know, I'm expecting him here. I've talked to him, we get along, I like him". Rhule is staying in his lane. He's the coach. He doesn't make personnel decisions. He might not be as blunt and hard as Ron (Ron likely responds to that with "he's in rehab and I don't make personnel decisions, that's a Marty or Mr. Tepper question"), but I don't think he ever tried to squirm away from anything.

 

34 minutes ago, lightsout said:

This is very, very simple.

The Panthers likely said "either play out your year and then we talk about extension, or we can trade you" OR Cam said "give me an extension now, or I'll request to be traded".

Speculation. That is the word you should have used.

Your post is based on speculation, just like mine.

Or the last quote is based on some sort of über fact I cannot grasp.

Panthers wouldn't be the first team that get ride of a player because he wants a new contract, so if that was the case, why has it not been reported anywhere. These things gets leaked because it helps set the narrative that the team/players wants.

And people here thinking teams will trade the house for Cam. Have you checked the FA and the draft?

This comes out now because soon there will be news that the Panthers will try get a FA or draft a new QB. I dont believe in tanking because you dont wait a year to try address a QB situation.