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The Javon Kinlaw Discussion


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8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm both intrigued and scared. I think he's boom or bust and I have no idea which one it's gonna be.

Feels like he is being overlooked slightly as the top DT.  He is hungry and really talented.  Love his makeup.  He lived in the GA backfield against a great OL.  Love the way he played against the best in the SEC.

His interview on Van Pelt show was cool.  He is laid back but still seemed all biz.  Love this guys simple hard working mentality.

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To me this is about the closest the top two players (at a position) can be to one another. I think Kinlaw would be a better fit in a 3-4 over brown as a end. Plus has the better "upside" to brown. That said brown seems to be the better 2020 draftee. Kinlaw has great tape, Browns is better, jesus that LSU is unreal.  Brown is younger too 

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I like Kinlaw.. But ppl there is a reason why he isn't better then Brown...

 

The Bama games was solid but you see some ..

Lacking motor traits

One pass rush move and done..

Technical flaws  like Turing to much and giving up his back to Olinemen..

And he doesn't demand double teams like Brown does...

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15 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Feels like he is being overlooked slightly as the top DT.  He is hungry and really talented.  Love his makeup.  He lived in the GA backfield against a great OL.  Love the way he played against the best in the SEC.

His interview on Van Pelt show was cool.  He is laid back but still seemed all biz.  Love this guys simple hard working mentality.

 

What game are you talking about?? Honestly 

He got bullied and pushed around alot in this game.. He even got pancaked atleast 3 or 4 times in this game..

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14 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

I like Kinlaw.. But ppl there is a reason why he isn't better then Brown...

 

The Bama games was solid but you see some ..

Lacking motor traits

One pass rush move and done..

Technical flaws  like Turing to much and giving up his back to Olinemen..

And he doesn't demand double teams like Brown does...

Space eater or pass rush?  I agree its a decent question.  Brown is not the Bear you think all the time...he was also surrounded by talent on defense.

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42 minutes ago, Shocker said:

I personally think this cat is a better pass rusher than Brown.  Nasty demeanor and the measurements check out.

Thoughts on him at 7?  Feels really possible if not probable.

 

I have seen some boards with him higher than Brown.  I like Brown---can play all positions and is solid in all aspects of the game--but these 2 are 1a and 1b.

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1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I think Brown has a higher floor and Kinlaw has a higher ceiling. Personally, I'd take Brown at #7 but Kinlaw if we traded down. 

Interesting statement---well said and it makes perfect sense for me. 

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