Veterans beware

[Mister]

17 hours ago, MMA said:

Bye Short, you fat lazy overpaid bum

On what analytics or stats state we should cut short? None !!  You would make a good bills fan my friend with your ignorance 

[Mister]

If any vet is going it’s gano

[Waldo]

Wait, Gano is still employed? That's lame AF. We should cut him and offer him vet minimum to get a chance to compete this year.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Wait, Gano is still employed? That's lame AF. We should cut him and offer him vet minimum to get a chance to compete this year.

He has the 4th highest cap hit among all NFL kickers for next season. $3.1M of $4.3M is dead cap.

[panthers55]

6 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Short and Okung are really the only good examples of this for us. Most of the rest are pretty minimal savings. There aren't many players outside that that can save us much money by cutting them this season versus next.

Short isn't really a good example. If we cut him we incur 17 million in dead cap space which is only 2 million less than keeping him. If you were going to cut him next year will be the best time when we won't have almost 50 million of dead cap space like we do already 

[onmyown]

Would be nice to not deal with Paradis, KK, and Gano’s money. They’re as replaceable as it gets.

 But while we’re still paying dead money from Cam, Luke, Kalil, Reid etc the cap’s fuged as it is.

Is there another team paying 100m for nothing? Seems as bad as it gets, starting at the bottom of the hill for this rebuild, but guess it’s better than Hurney’s 2010/11 spending spree that fuged this team for years.

[stbugs]

1 hour ago, Mister said:

On what analytics or stats state we should cut short? None !!  You would make a good bills fan my friend with your ignorance 

3 sacks in two years is worth $28M and we should pay him another $26.5M for two more years? We aren’t a playoff team, that’s a lot of cap to save when we are ready to make a real run and Short won’t be remotely useful. We wasted comp picks, might as well waste more cap space. We don’t need 4 picks we could take 4 interior OL with or Aaron Donald type of players in 2022/2023 when our young guys and hopefully franchise QB are ready. 

[45catfan]

13 minutes ago, stbugs said:

3 sacks in two years is worth $28M and we should pay him another $26.5M for two more years? We aren’t a playoff team, that’s a lot of cap to save when we are ready to make a real run and Short won’t be remotely useful. We wasted comp picks, might as well waste more cap space. We don’t need 4 picks we could take 4 interior OL with or Aaron Donald type of players in 2022/2023 when our young guys and hopefully franchise QB are ready. 

KK is likely out of here after this season.  In the mean time he serves a purpose as we have two rookies and a warm body to round out our DTs. 

[MMA]

2 hours ago, Mister said:

On what analytics or stats state we should cut short? None !!  You would make a good bills fan my friend with your ignorance 

Eye test. He sucks. Like your posts

[stbugs]

49 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

KK is likely out of here after this season.  In the mean time he serves a purpose as we have two rookies and a warm body to round out our DTs. 

What purpose? Do you think that somehow he makes us a playoff team? Is he truly worth paying $13M to this year? At the end of the day, he hits our cap for an extra $13M if he’s on the team this year.

[45catfan]

34 minutes ago, stbugs said:

What purpose? Do you think that somehow he makes us a playoff team? Is he truly worth paying $13M to this year? At the end of the day, he hits our cap for an extra $13M if he’s on the team this year.

KK doesn't make us a playoff team this year, neither does anyone else on this roster because this roster is not playoff caliber.  That said, you just can't kick everyone to the curb that has high cap figure.  You could if the goal is to worry about the cap more than having competitive product on the field.  Rhule has said he wants a team that can compete.  If Rhule thinks KK is piece of the puzzle in that regard, then he stays.  I realize competing this year is not what you want, but that is the organizations goal.  It remains to be seen exactly how competitive.  However, trotting out a poor product and rolling over each of the 16 games for the sake of maxing out cap room and getting the #1 overall pick was never an option.

[stbugs]

57 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

KK doesn't make us a playoff team this year, neither does anyone else on this roster because this roster is not playoff caliber.  That said, you just can't kick everyone to the curb that has high cap figure.  You could if the goal is to worry about the cap more than having competitive product on the field.  Rhule has said he wants a team that can compete.  If Rhule thinks KK is piece of the puzzle in that regard, then he stays.  I realize competing this year is not what you want, but that is the organizations goal.  It remains to be seen exactly how competitive.  However, trotting out a poor product and rolling over each of the 16 games for the sake of maxing out cap room and getting the #1 overall pick was never an option.

It’s always an option. We’ve finished 2-14 and 1-15 before. The next two drafts we got Peppers and Gross and Cam and Luke. I’m still amazed how people gloss over this.

if you are rebuilding, it’s dumb to pay an old, not very effective DT $13M (especially since you can rollover cap) when you aren’t making the playoffs and he’s not going to be there for year 2 of the rebuild. If we keep him it’s because some of the staff think we can compete. Seems silly since we are the 4th best team in our division.

[Waldo]

3 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He has the 4th highest cap hit among all NFL kickers for next season. $3.1M of $4.3M is dead cap.

And we didn't draft one in the 7th or sign an undrafted one...so we will either be looking for one or playing Gano or Sly...fug that's just sad and a giant waste of cap.

[Camp Fodder]

After reading the topic I thought it was going to be about Ron not being here anymore and they wouldn’t be handed a starting position