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You need to start wondering what you'd give up to get Lawrence

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2 minutes ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

I would also debate that Payton made them great receivers to be fair. Reggie Wayne was rather meh after he left the Colts. And I don't think the Colts O-Line was "great" per say. Good yes, great. No Troy Aikman had a great line, so does Dake in Dallas. 

Reggie Wayne was 37 when he left the colts.

Reggie Wayne was an elite route runner and master of creating separation. 

Even if it wasn't great it was good enough and allowed Peyton to do what he needed to do.

If anything Teddy's play today could be an argument for us building around him and not having to worry about O-line. Yoy saw he wasn't afraid to take shots, but the Chargers have an elite pass rush and with Cam (love him but he has Big Ben syndrome with holding the ball) we probably would've saw multiple sacks today.

Again not saying we stick with Teddy but this was a good day for him.

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4 minutes ago, Rags said:

I don't see why we couldn't take a guy like Newman and sit him a year behind Teddy and give Newman and redshirt year. Even if his ceiling is more mobile Flacco (which is my comp. Def weaker arm tho but not by ton.) As long as we build well on offense and defense we can win with that.

Again, it’s like Lawrence/Fields in these discussions seems to imply we stop trying to build well. Why do we build well on offense and defense with Newman but you are so opposed to doing the same around a top QB? This isn’t like pre-Cam where QBs taken early first are somehow cap disasters like Bradford and before. That’s what the Chiefs did with Mahomes. They already had a 10-11 win team with Smith but they spent a ton on D and O because Mahomes wasn’t getting paid.

Anyway, seems like the anti top QB posts always seem to mention building around Teddy or a lower pick QB and act like we can’t do what KC did around Mahomes.

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6 minutes ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

If we want to get technical, I believe we could still be in the hunt for Fields. So, if we somehow Draft Fields, I would want to sit him for a year. Like you stated with Newman. Shrugs. 

I wouldn't mind that. I don't think you start Fields but he definitely has arm talent and Deshaun Watson escapability.

Ball placement and reading the field are what I hate about him the most. He's wild with his accuracy sometimes and he never scans rhe field.

But hey as long as we agree Lawrence isn't the only way we can succed. Trust me Lawrence is everything I love in a QB and its gonna suck if he ends up in the NFC. But early signs from this coaching staff have been encouraging. 

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2 minutes ago, TrevorLaurenceTime22 said:

I think Lance may have the highest upside.

I’d be happy with any of the top prospects. If they fail, they fail but it’s the upside we need. I want to win a SB not get stuck in this mediocre place we are right now with very little upside.

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5 minutes ago, Shocker said:

I mean this guy does have some plays that look eerily like Mahomes.  Arm is there for sure.

The biggest thing with Lance is he’s gonna need to sit and learn with nfl coaches. He’s a redshirt freshman. One year of college ball in 1AA. He didn’t throw in tight windows because he never had to. A lot of his game was running, which helped open up the pass. He won’t be able to run like he did in college but he has that ability. The team that takes him needs to show patience but the arm talent is jaw dropping. His deep ball is super pretty. If we got this guy and give him a year or two to build up the oline he has the talent to be special.

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3 minutes ago, Rags said:

I wouldn't mind that. I don't think you start Fields but he definitely has arm talent and Deshaun Watson escapability.

Ball placement and reading the field are what I hate about him the most. He's wild with his accuracy sometimes and he never scans rhe field.

But hey as long as we agree Lawrence isn't the only way we can succed. Trust me Lawrence is everything I love in a QB and its gonna suck if he ends up in the NFC. But early signs from this coaching staff have been encouraging. 

I agree. I think having Teddy makes it easier for the staff to sit Fields/Lance and let them learn, and hopefully that will help with that sustained success we discussed.

If not, Howell or Rattler it is! 

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