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You need to start wondering what you'd give up to get Lawrence

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nctarheelreincarnated Newbie

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Just now, Smithers said:

Lol.  dude come on.  Yet the best QB of all time was a 7th round pick?  And the biggest bust of all time was a #1?  And the second biggest bust of all time was also a #1?  

I mean, there's more good/great QB's than bust at the number 1 pick though. And those are outliers with Brady, Montana, and Russel Wilson. You have a better chance now at drafting a guy that won't be a bust at number 1, than one that will be. Hell, I wanted to trade Cam for Kyler Murray because I knew how good Kyler is going to become. 

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3 minutes ago, Rags said:

And then look at what happened with Luck and that team building.

You need more than an Elite QB to win. Between the 3 of those QBs there's 4 rings between them. One of those rings came off the back of a generational defense.

QB is important but we need more than a QB.

Why do people try to downplay good QBs? Oh no, only 4 SB rings. SMH. We have none. Does that mean we shouldn’t have taken Cam and that we’d have been better off with a game manager? Cam was the best pick we could have made. Luck was also the best pick the Colts could have had. Tell me which players in those two drafts would have given both teams more wins?

QB isn’t just important. It’s the most important position unless you’ve built a historic D and even then sometimes a Baltimore still needs Flacco to play out his ass for 3 games.

Let’s not try to downplay franchise QBs. Winning SBs takes some lucky bounces and ref calls and we should be a fan base that understands that well. That said, franchise QBs get you to the playoffs like Luck did with a pretty mediocre Colts team. Yes, once you get there the other players become important because the QBs in the playoffs are typically pretty good. Only Brady has won a ton, but over the past decade, Luck, Newton, Manning(s), Rodgers, Wilson, Brees and others made the playoffs a bunch of times. They can’t all win every year, but they get you there consistently and maybe the breaks go your way and you win one. It still doesn’t mean we are somehow better off taking a LB and trying to win with Teddy.

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1 minute ago, TrevorLaurenceTime22 said:

They won in 2007 as a 10-6 wildcard and in 2011 as a 9-7 division champion.

Ah. Thanks. I knew they still had to go through the wild card the 9-7 year at least.

Point is Tom Coughlin and that defense was just aa vital, if not more than Eli.

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1 minute ago, Rags said:

Having two miracle plays bail them out is something only Eli could do?

I'm not taking credit from Eli but you can easily argue that any competent QB could've won that game with that team.

Debatable. But, that's neither here nor there. Regardless, picking first and getting a QB that can win you a Super Bowl is more likely to happen, than picking one in the 2nd or 3rd round and hoping they do well. Look at Will Greir FFS. Sure, their are outliers, but those are few and far between. 

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6 minutes ago, Smithers said:

You didn’t answer my question.  So tanking for one player guarantees success?  We drafted Cam # 1.  Did that ensure consistent success?  Nope!  I’m a Panthers fan regardless.  You, on the other hand, who is pissed off at our win today is not 

I don't pull for losses but this season I do begrudgingly accept them as setbacks and nothing guarentees success just a better chance at elite level players.

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2 minutes ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

It's weird. This place has gotten really odd since I ventured on here constantly. The sunshine pumpers, and true homers that want to win for no reason are expected. But, some random dude posting gifs? Yeah, not sure where that's from. 

He seems like an alt for those weirdos that use to come on here. But if he watches that game and thinks Bridgewater is a franchise qb, then it doesn't matter where he came from cuz he's an idiot. His opinion is null and void

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Just now, Pantherfan84 said:

Yeah and someone crapping on the team every chance they get just to get some bum Lawrence. Just go pull for another team.

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Why do people say this? I'm legit rooting for continued success for the team after this year by getting a franchise QB. Isn't that wanting the team to succeed? Since that's what the Owner wants, and the coaching staff wants? Seriously with this poo. 

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Just now, stbugs said:

Why do people try to downplay good QBs? Oh no, only 4 SB rings. SMH. We have none. Does that mean we shouldn’t have taken Cam and that we’d have been better off with a game manager? Cam was the best pick we could have made. Luck was also the best pick the Colts could have had. Tell me which players in those two drafts would have given both teams more wins?

just gonna focus on this because the rest is "QB IS THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION" thing and everyone knows that. But that doesn't mean it isn't over valued. 

My argument here is that's 4 rings over 54 Super bowls won by those first overall picks. 6 if you count Elis.

Yes QB is the most important position. Yes Trevor is the best QB since Luck (though I think a healthy Tua is up there too.) and yes if we're picking #1 overall we take him.

But we're not damned to mediocrity if we don't take him. 

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