Greg Little - oh dear

[Mr. Scot]

Bottom Line: Little is bad, and prospects of his getting better aren't so hot. 

[Icege]

When a player's upside is supposed to be their athleticism and their combine numbers make them look about as explosive as a sloth, that should tell a lot.

[Basbear]

7 hours ago, stbugs said:

We also used three of our visits on Erik McCoy, Maxx Crosby and Bobby Evans (started half of last year at RT, would be a G for us). We could have had McCoy and either of the others instead of Little.

I also keep hearing about all the tools he has. Reminds me of Rivera saying Gaulden was athletic. Combine numbers don’t have Little as anything special at all. Combine his not so great physical tools with intangible issues and you have what you have.

Heres my list in approving Little. Mostly Marty put in tons of research time and spend all the available resources on Little. Others are he started about 30 games at LT in the SEC and had success. Ole Miss also had Oher and Tunsil, so they know how to train LTs in recent times. His age, panthers seemed focused on getting the youngest player possible with early picks. On everyones list he was a top 5 national recruit form HS, I like players that were great at HS and college. Lastly in the early stages of the mock drafts fever and reporting, he was a near top ten lock top five even. 

McCoy looks like a real McCoy, good form day one and he was faster than Karma on a long TD run. Hes your goto guy, I member you talking him up. I liked all three C that year, had all listed right next to one another. The main reason for Saints success is drafting, they maybe the best team in the league (for the last 5 years). Hit rate is off the charts for most of the picks, doesnt matter if they draft 4 or 10, they get legit NFL players. That covers up soooo much, like dead cap/cap space, comp picks awards, brees age etc

[stbugs]

1 hour ago, Basbear said:

Heres my list in approving Little. Mostly Marty put in tons of research time and spend all the available resources on Little. Others are he started about 30 games at LT in the SEC and had success. Ole Miss also had Oher and Tunsil, so they know how to train LTs in recent times. His age, panthers seemed focused on getting the youngest player possible with early picks. On everyones list he was a top 5 national recruit form HS, I like players that were great at HS and college. Lastly in the early stages of the mock drafts fever and reporting, he was a near top ten lock top five even. 

McCoy looks like a real McCoy, good form day one and he was faster than Karma on a long TD run. Hes your goto guy, I member you talking him up. I liked all three C that year, had all listed right next to one another. The main reason for Saints success is drafting, they maybe the best team in the league (for the last 5 years). Hit rate is off the charts for most of the picks, doesnt matter if they draft 4 or 10, they get legit NFL players. That covers up soooo much, like dead cap/cap space, comp picks awards, brees age etc

McCoy hurts. Unger retires, Saints draft McCoy. Kalil retires (Norwell, Turner and even Van Roten leave) and we blow unnecessary picks on Little and draft 0 interior OL in Marty’s three drafts. At least Teddy’s not holding onto the ball. Maybe Daley can convert to G well, not sure yet, but unless we want to keep paying Paradis $9M a year for mediocre play, we still need 2-3 IOL. 

[Mr. Scot]

3 hours ago, Basbear said:

Heres my list in approving Little. Mostly Marty put in tons of research time and spend all the available resources on Little. Others are he started about 30 games at LT in the SEC and had success. Ole Miss also had Oher and Tunsil, so they know how to train LTs in recent times. His age, panthers seemed focused on getting the youngest player possible with early picks. On everyones list he was a top 5 national recruit form HS, I like players that were great at HS and college. Lastly in the early stages of the mock drafts fever and reporting, he was a near top ten lock top five even. 

Yeah, sorry. None of that makes Little a better football player.

You could have used similar logic to justify Jimmy Clausen.

[*FreeFua*]

The next time I see a Little starting at LT it better be Walker. 

[mrcompletely11]

4 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

The next time I see a Little starting at LT it better be Walker. 

Thats what I am talking about.  Kid is huge and a mauler.  I am warming up to the idea of trading down if we are pick 5 or so.  Draft is deep at the tackle and IOL positions.  We could potential fix our oline in the first 2 rounds if we somehow trade back for 2/3 extra picks

[raz]

13 hours ago, Basbear said:

 

. The main reason for Saints success is drafting, they maybe the best team in the league (for the last 5 years). Hit rate is off the charts for most of the picks, doesnt matter if they draft 4 or 10, they get legit NFL players. That covers up soooo much, like dead cap/cap space, comp picks awards, brees age etc

i'm still not over marques colsten.  who tf gets a 7th round receiver and is smart enough to see right away they can replace joe f'n horn.  

[Basbear]

20 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah, sorry. None of that makes Little a better football player.

You could have used similar logic to justify Jimmy Clausen.

Of course those wants/likes dont have a 100% rate, do you prefer the opposite? By all means good-luck on the hit rate for division II guys that walked-on in the weakest conferences. I bet the NFL is full of them!! 

[Basbear]

10 hours ago, raz said:

i'm still not over marques colsten.  who tf gets a 7th round receiver and is smart enough to see right away they can replace joe f'n horn.  

I think prime brees help make colsten and the opposite is happening with Michael Thomas. Just run down the list of legit stars they have at each position group- Lattimore-DB, Jordan-DL, Kamara-RB, Thomas-WR, Armstead-OL(highly unrated LT), LB- Davis, TE-Cook, Morstead-Punter/ST. Full of depth too. Cook is a little old and hasnt made the impact of a star, but made pro-bowls and 3x the player Thomas is. 

[Mr. Scot]

On 10/3/2020 at 6:26 PM, Basbear said:

Of course those wants/likes dont have a 100% rate, do you prefer the opposite? By all means good-luck on the hit rate for division II guys that walked-on in the weakest conferences. I bet the NFL is full of them!! 

The only conclusion you can draw from criteria like that is that he should be good.

Having watched him, he's not.

[Basbear]

On 10/4/2020 at 12:28 PM, Mr. Scot said:

The only conclusionyou can draw from criteria like that is that he should be good.

Having watched him, he's not.

He sure improved in one week, would you agree?

Drafting should be good players is correct. Unless you know they are going to be good, which no one does. Thats why you increase your odds. Those are a couple of things I look for/want and had success with. By all means if you know which players players are going to be good, please share that before the draft. 

Besides that the last two weeks have been against Joey Bosa and Chandler Jones (mainly). Those two are in the top 5 DEs group, is Little not allowed to have a bad game against elite players? 

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, Basbear said:

He sure improved in one week, would you agree?

Drafting should be good players is correct. Unless you know they are going to be good, which no one does. Thats why you increase your odds. Those are a couple of things I look for/want and had success with. By all means if you know which players players are going to be good, please share that before the draft. 

Besides that the last two weeks have been against Joey Bosa and Chandler Jones (mainly). Those two are in the top 5 DEs group, is Little not allowed to have a bad game against elite players? 

No, I wouldn't.

And the thing about drafting is that you're trying to predict the future. Nobody can do it all the time, but some guys can do it way more consistently than others.

Drafting Greg Little was a poor choice. Other teams saw that. Ours didn't.

[Davidson Deac II]

Drafting Little at the position we did may have been a mistake.  But at this point, it doesn't matter.  In truth, as soon as the draft is over, it doesn't matter.  Its done, and we can only hope he stays healthy and becomes a solid player.

Fwiw, he played well yesterday.  He played a majority of the snaps, and while I am sure someone could point out a few bad snaps for him, overall he did his job.  The line as a whole did its job.  No sacks, very little pressure on TB, and the run game was dominant.   I hope the line and Little continues to improve and or play well.