Seeing Walker makes me see Teddy's limitations too

[Aussie Tank]

Darnold is on our roster next year so it is what it is hahaha

[NanuqoftheNorth]

1 minute ago, Harbingers said:

Brady is the big caveat in there. Bridgewater is *his* guy. I mean we got rid of Cam for Bridgewater and its clear thats on Brady. If Brady is around for a few more years I could see Teddy being around as well. If Brady gets an HC job I could see Rhule moving on from Bridgewater pretty quick.

So far, TB hasn't demonstrated he is anything more than average.

There is definitely room for improvement at QB, but that could be said of countless positions on this seasons roster.

Teddy will likely remain the starter for this season, maybe even next year, but I can't see it going on longer than that.

 

 

[Byrdman4real]

57 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I know. Some people won’t give up. What @LinvilleGorge was saying about skill and talent makes sense. It was obvious that PJ had some arm talent displays today Teddy doesn’t have and the coaches said he’s got the strongest arm. Teddy’s been the starter all year and has years of NFL experience so he’s got more skill and wouldn’t make as many bad interceptions. He’s had a few crucial mistakes but not as many unforced errors. It’s not crazy to say PJ has more physical ability but Teddy is more polished/skillful at QB. I don’t even think PJ is a long term answer. I think Detroit is that bad, but PJ showed why IMHO Teddy isn’t the long term answer.

This

[Mr. Scot]

16 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

And for everyone downplaying what PJ did because it was the Lions, who I agree are much worse than their record indicates - yes it was his first start, but think back on all of the first starts you've seen over the years as a Panthers fan.  It's a lot of guys, and not many of them turned out very well.  PJ completed at a solid clip, threw a beautiful TD, made some plays with his legs, made two really bad plays which may or may not have been all on him, and he WON.  There are always bad teams, but this is still the NFL.

Didn't we already do this once this season with "Hey we don't need McCaffrey because we've got Mike Davis"?

That tune stopped playing when we faced better defenses. Not too hard to imagine a similar thing happening here.

It's a pretty common thing to see people get hyped for backups only shortly thereafter to find out there's a reason why they're backups.

[Proudiddy]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Didn't we already do this once this season with "Hey we don't need McCaffrey because we've got Mike Davis"?

That tune stopped playing when we faced better defenses. Not too hard to imagine a similar thing happening here.

It's a pretty common thing to see people get hyped for backups only shortly thereafter to find out there's a reason why they're backups.

This isn't the same, Scot.  I'm just giving PJ his due, and I've been saying to let him start for weeks because we already saw what Teddy was and what he could do.  So, despite the INTs, it was refreshing to see.  Would he do it against a better team/defense?  Who knows?  But, no reason to downplay him doing well enough to get a win in his first ever start as a UDFA.  That's an accomplishment, no matter who it came against.  I recognize the need to temper expectations, but I saw enough to be encouraged about.  Yes the Lions suck, but his mobility, deep ball, arm strength/zip, and ball placement were evident and would stand out to anyone watching regardless of who the opponent was.

[Proudiddy]

Also, its a bit of yin to the yang of guys who have spent the season hyping up Teddy while ignoring his shortcomings, some of which cost us games that we should have won.

Nowhere have I said PJ is the future.  I'm just appreciating what he did and think he's the better option out of the guys on the roster.  Saying that is nowhere near the same as saying a career journeyman RB is the better option over an All-Pro still yet to reach his peak, who has broken multiple NFL records at his position.

 

[Mr. Scot]

26 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

This isn't the same, Scot.  I'm just giving PJ his due, and I've been saying to let him start for weeks because we already saw what Teddy was and what he could do.  So, despite the INTs, it was refreshing to see.  Would he do it against a better team/defense?  Who knows?  But, no reason to downplay him doing well enough to get a win in his first ever start as a UDFA.  That's an accomplishment, no matter who it came against.  I recognize the need to temper expectations, but I saw enough to be encouraged about.  Yes the Lions suck, but his mobility, deep ball, arm strength/zip, and ball placement were evident and would stand out to anyone watching regardless of who the opponent was.

Actually, quarterbacks are even more prone to it than other positions.

Prime Example: Matt Flynn had a significantly better performance against a better opponent in his first start but you saw what happened there.

[Proudiddy]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Actually, quarterbacks are even more prone to it than other positions.

Prime Example: Matt Flynn had a significantly better performance against a better opponent in his first start but you saw what happened there.

I'm well aware of that, but as I said, this isn't the same...  and for further proof, anyone can go look up my opinions of Kyle Allen when he was supposedly lighting the world on fire in Cam's absence last season.  I wasn't buying it and saw way more detrimental characteristics than bright spots.

[Moo Daeng]

28 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

This isn't the same, Scot.  I'm just giving PJ his due, and I've been saying to let him start for weeks because we already saw what Teddy was and what he could do.  So, despite the INTs, it was refreshing to see.  Would he do it against a better team/defense?  Who knows?  But, no reason to downplay him doing well enough to get a win in his first ever start as a UDFA.  That's an accomplishment, no matter who it came against.  I recognize the need to temper expectations, but I saw enough to be encouraged about.  Yes the Lions suck, but his mobility, deep ball, arm strength/zip, and ball placement were evident and would stand out to anyone watching regardless of who the opponent was.

What exactly did he do? One deep ball to an open receiver and some ints and missed passes. 

I'm convinced this whole thing is only because they said he has a strong arm. 

[Proudiddy]

7 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

What exactly did he do? One deep ball to an open receiver and some ints and missed passes. 

I'm convinced this whole thing is only because they said he has a strong arm. 

But they didn't have to say he has a strong arm, as it is immediately evident to anyone who has watched PJ play, either today or in the XFL.  I fully believe that Teddy is smart, and processes hot reads and progressions faster than most QBs.  But is he a better passer than PJ?  I don't think so.  Is he more athletic than PJ?  No.  And again, just watching the two of them, PJ appears to throw a better ball, has a lot more zip, and does indeed have a stronger arm.

I don't know if that will translate against a better team, but I've seen enough to want to see more and find out.  We know what Teddy is and what he can do.

[Moo Daeng]

He played pretty good but nothing to write home about. Im happy for him and the win. This has nothing to do with analyzing his play this is about people not liking Teddy because he replaced cam.

One thing is for sure, the coaches won't replace Teddy with PJ.

[Mr. Scot]

I know it felt like they called a boatload of out passes.

That makes sense with a strong armed quarterback, but if it gets predictable you're setting yourself up for some easy pick sixes.

[1of10Charnatives]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I know it felt like they called a boatload of out passes.

That makes sense with a strong armed quarterback, but if it gets predictable you're setting yourself up for some easy pick sixes.

So next week we should see more stuff back towards the middle of the field or faking the out and going deep. 

[KillerKat]

You can look at the competition we faced today, but there are many things you can see where the competition doesn't matter. Walker showed more arm strength than Teddy has all season. He can zip it into tight spaces and hit the deep ball to receivers in stride. His decision making is quicker than Teddy's, but still needs improvement. However, it's not like Teddy's is world's better. Accuracy and field vision could also use improvement, but again so could Teddy's. His scrambling and running ability is also equal to or better than Teddy's. Walker has to also prove himself under pressure and clutch situations. Something Teddy has continuously failed at all season. I really don't see many things Teddy is better than Walker at. You can compare the two as much as you want, but at the end of the day you've got to ask yourself "Is Teddy worth the money being paid to him right now?". The answer to that is absolutely not.