So what's wrong with Bridgewater?

[rippadonn]

If you can't raise your level of play every year like Brees and Brady had to, the NFL will sniff you out. You'll literally hit a wall.

Cam learned it when he couldn't just take off for 20 easy yards. The yards became tougher and tougher. Why? Not because Cam got slower. No. These highly paid highly motivated guys figured him out AND they figured out refs are allowing head shots and dirty hits. Cam had to evolve and he had to work on his weaknesses.

You can't teach 6'5" 250lbs you can improve your reads/reaction. Has Teddy improved his game or hid behind THE system?

Answer: He's been sniffed out without a physical or mental advantage to fall back on.

NFL : Not For Long

Unless you are extra ordinary

 

[Proudiddy]

16 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Tape from just last year in a similar system means nothing?

Pretty sure coaches would disagree with that.

And on the one hand you say you're not boiling it down to something simple and then turn around and claim I'm saying "he fell off a cliff because he's tired".

An NFL season goes well beyond "tired". Ask any player.

I can tell you one of the chief examples that I see is in his accuracy. pretty much all of us complimented Bridgewater on his accuracy at the start of the season. Now, he's off, particularly so today.

Did he somehow go from being an accurate passer to being an inaccurate passer?

You could try to make the argument that he was always an inaccurate passer I suppose, but that would be pretty ridiculous and unsupported by evidence.

So again, why?

I have an answer. Do you?

Lol, I clearly simplified your argument in return for you simplifying mine to "he sucks," and "he's terrible," which I've never said without supporting evidence.

And I've already done the same in my last post as to why why I think this isn't due to him wearing down.  My "answer" is in there.

[Proudiddy]

6 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

If you can't raise your level of play every year like Brees and Brady had to, the NFL will sniff you out. You'll literally hit a wall.

Cam learned it when he couldn't just take off for 20 easy yards. The yards became tougher and tougher. Why? Not because Cam got slower. No. These highly paid highly motivated guys figured him out AND they figured out refs are allowing head shots and dirty hits. Cam had to evolve and he had to work on his weaknesses.

You can't teach 6'5" 250lbs you can improve your reads/reaction. Has Teddy improved his game or hid behind THE system?

Answer: He's been sniffed out without a physical or mental advantage to fall back on.

NFL : Not For Long

Unless you are extra ordinary

 

[Mr. Scot]

42 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Lol, I clearly simplified your argument in return for you simplifying mine to "he sucks," and "he's terrible," which I've never said without supporting evidence.

And I've already done the same in my last post as to why why I think this isn't due to him wearing down.  My "answer" is in there.

And still got it wrong.

My argument has basically been that Bridgewater is better suited to limited duty, that he can be effective in a backup role but doesn't have what it takes physically to last a full season as a starter. I'd add that he probably doesn't have the skill to be a long-term starter, but could thrive as a backup.

This is what you're arguing against, but it doesn't sound like you've understood it.

[OldhamA]

6 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

The contract tells me we were expecting more.

The contract tells me they were signing him to start for the next two years, with the opportunity to review his position in the third year if he blew them away / they couldn't find a suitable replacement (which is likely because finding good QBs is extremely difficult).

He's been signed as a solid starter to tide us over while we rebuild the (quite frankly awful) roster and install Rhule's culture (hence signings like Whitehead). Quite frankly, it's the second smartest thing this Franchise has done in recent history - after signing Rhule. 

For some reason people are hung up on the Franchise QB notion.  His contract doesn't suggest that they see him as that. He's a good QB - people are expecting him to be a great QB and tearing him down because he's not. 

He was mediocre yesterday, but usually he's kept the offence running efficiently and effectively. We don't have more wins on our record because the defence couldn't stop anyone for weeks at a time. Even with him being mediocre yesterday, he put us in a position to win the game. 

 

TL;DR - he's not the long term future, but he's by far the best QB on the roster. 

[bigdog10]

7 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

As much of a Hurney critic as I am, this time that's not the case.

There was another team that had an offer on the table for him (I forget who, might have even been the Patriots) but we came in at the last minute with a better one.

And while Marty was involved, it felt like Brady and Rhule were pushing this one more than he was. Rhule mentioned CB Coach Evan Cooper as another guy who pushed for him.

NM. Somebody already posted it was the bears prior to my post. 

[OldhamA]

7 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Runner/cyclist fatigue is not the same as football fatigue.

Any NFL player will testify that getting hit over and over again takes a lot out of you. Pretty much all of them would likely choose running long distance over getting hit repeatedly.

Speak to any MMA guy - taking punches / kicks / wrestling drains the energy from you. Those guys are extremely fit, but they blow up 5/10 minutes into a contest.

[BrianS]

7 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

He's not good enough to be a starter, but he's also not the worst quarterback in the league or even the worst quarterback on this team. Far from it.

This bit here is highly important.  How good he is in scope of the entire league is relatively unimportant at this juncture.  He's the best QB on our roster right now.  We were still in with a chance prior to the game.  Thus, when you have a chance, you play your best or you tell your team you don't believe in them.  

[kungfoodude]

8 hours ago, MechaZain said:

Dude's a long distance cyclist in his free time so I'm going to say it's not fatigue.

 

I was gonna post this too. To say it is fatigue is one of the most hilariously bad takes this board has seen in a long time.

[Silent Majority]

6 years in this league. Nothing is "wrong" with Bridgewater. He is who he's always been. The issue is so many on this forum needing him to be something more than he is, for 'reasons'. Something, something, something, hesbetterthanourformerfranchisemvpquaterback. 

[kungfoodude]

7 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

I thought I read the Bears had a similar offer out there, but Teddy chose us over them bc he wasn't guaranteed the starting job and would have to compete with Trubisky for the starting job.  Lol imagine not taking that gig bc you're worried you can't beat out Trubisky.  That should've been a red flag right there.

No poo. That guy is a bottom tier gunslinger and he is scared of competing against him???? Hell, at least with Trubisky you will randomly get a game where he hits on all cylinders and looks like an All Pro. You rarely ever get that out of Teddy. In 55 career games he has had 5 total games in which he has scored more than 2 TD's. Trubisky has 10 games with 2+ TD's in 46 career games. 

And we are ALL aware that Trubisky sucks. So what does that say about Teddy's career production?

[kungfoodude]

7 hours ago, Paa Langfart said:

The guy doesnt have much pass protection and knows it now.  Got hurt badly early in his career and after all the hits thus far and another injury or two this season is remembering it unfondly, and is David Carr ing on us.  

He got sacked 0 times and hit 3 times in the game. Okung was back and in most of the games Okung has played(which has not been nearly enough), we have had plenty of time to throw. Yet this was still one of his worst games for us this year. 

It isn't the pass protection, our offense is designed to get the ball out quickly. He's been sacked 19 times in 11 starts. In fact, he is currently at his lowest Sack/Game Started total in his entire career(Vikings, Jets and Saints). 

[Mage]

I honestly just don’t think he has a super competitive spirit. Like, when does Teddy ever seem even the slightest bit frustrated by lackluster offensive play?

[kungfoodude]

7 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Dude, even you've admitted to letting emotion affect some of your takes on him.

And again, if you really don't buy the notion that he was better earlier in the season than he is now, go back and look at some of the old posts or at some of the articles that were written at the time.

For one, I found the article that mentioned him negotiating with the Bears. It was from Joe Person in The Athletic, and it had this little snippet included...

And though it’s only been five games, Bridgewater has been exactly what the Panthers hoped for … and then some.

Through Sunday’s games, Bridgewater ranked second in the NFL with a 73.0 completion percentage, a whisker lower than Raiders quarterback Derek Carr (73.1). It’s the highest completion rate through five weeks in franchise history, while his 1,460 passing yards are the second most in Panthers history through five weeks and rank fifth among NFL leaders this season.

But yeah, it's just me trying to make Teddy look better... despite my repeatedly saying I think he's not good enough and he should be a backup 

Yeah well we have enough data to understand all those yards for Teddy now. Take a wild guess what they are based on?