Combine Update

[OldhamA]

3 minutes ago, Zod said:

Individual college pro days will still happen I imagine and be that much more important. 

How is that safer than bringing all the players to one location that you can lock down?!

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, Zod said:

Individual college pro days will still happen I imagine and be that much more important. 

Yep, so let's have the scouts, GMs, and coaches many of whom are at much higher risk levels doing all the traveling.

A lot of COVID protocols have lacked common sense. 

[stbugs]

23 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I wonder if they could do a "bubble" combine. Basically bring in each position group in a separate location? 

This makes no sense to me. It would seem like 1 hotel and the stadium would be a perfect quarantine bubble. Why can’t it be just like the NFL games except everyone is brought to one hotel and tested for 2-3 days before they can get into the stadium and it’s basically a two week vacation bubble. Everyone has to be there the week before, players, agents, team personnel.

Maybe it’s the coordination of it but don’t the Colts have practice facilities as well? You’ve got close to 70 players and tons of team personnel that you do this weekly for and with another team traveling.

Maybe they are worried about so many players all coming together but I’d think guys with $$$s on the lines should be able to be smart and the guys who don’t test negative don’t get in. It reminds me of the NBA bubble only way easier because it’s one week and so many fewer people and fewer games.

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Granted, but the purpose of the combine is to test everybody under the same conditions so it's a level playing field and nobody has a home field advantage.

Whether or not it really works is debated, but that's the idea.

It's always a big red flag to me when guys drastically improve their times at their Pro Day vs. their Combine. Evidently when that happens a lot of teams take the average of the two as the "real" number. Devin Funchess comes to mind here. He ran a 4.7 at the Combine and a 4.48 at his pro day. He definitely didn't play like a sub-4.5 guy. Take the average of the two and it's 4.59. That seems to fit his game speed about right IMO.

[stbugs]

20 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Honestly, this is kind of dumb. The Combine is actually a pretty easy format to adhere to social distancing standards outside of a few lineman drills that could be cancelled or tweaked. 

Agreed. Seems to me this is a one week easy NBA bubble with less people and less interaction. Do all interviews online while player and coaches are in hotel rooms and all team personnel except people running drills are in the stands. Each team has a designated spot and entrance in the stadium so teams are separated already.

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yep, so let's have the scouts, GMs, and coaches many of whom are at much higher risk levels doing all the traveling.

A lot of COVID protocols have lacked common sense. 

So dumb. My thought was that if you plan the bubble right (call Silver of the NBA and copy the plan), you could add more players and then you skip the pro days and travel which seem far more worrisome.

If the NBA did it well, this seems like a slam dunk. Make sure every player/coach/attendee has been tested in the last week and test while on-site/quarantined for the week and start it.

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, stbugs said:

This makes no sense to me. It would seem like 1 hotel and the stadium would be a perfect quarantine bubble. Why can’t it be just like the NFL games except everyone is brought to one hotel and tested for 2-3 days before they can get into the stadium and it’s basically a two week vacation bubble. Everyone has to be there the week before, players, agents, team personnel.

Maybe it’s the coordination of it but don’t the Colts have practice facilities as well? You’ve got close to 70 players and tons of team personnel that you do this weekly for and with another team traveling.

Maybe they are worried about so many players all coming together but I’d think guys with $$$s on the lines should be able to be smart and the guys who don’t test negative don’t get in. It reminds me of the NBA bubble only way easier because it’s one week and so many fewer people and fewer games.

I supposed you could just stagger the position groups at the same location over a longer period. It would cut down on the potential exposures. Or just do a shitload of testing for a couple of weeks prior. There are a lot of different ways to skin that particular cat. 

I don't think the Combine will get cancelled. 

[kungfoodude]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's always a big red flag to me when guys drastically improve their times at their Pro Day vs. their Combine. Evidently when that happens a lot of teams take the average of the two as the "real" number. Devin Funchess comes to mind here. He ran a 4.7 at the Combine and a 4.48 at his pro day. He definitely didn't play like a sub-4.5 guy. Take the average of the two and it's 4.59. That seems to fit his game speed about right IMO.

Well the NFL has much more accurate timing versus the "stopwatch" method that most Pro Day's use(that have huge variance in each person using the stop watch. 

Also, keep in mind that even with laser timing, the NFL doesn't actually do a "real" Olympic style timing because they have concerns about all the 40 times all of a sudden getting slower(which would likely happen). I remember reading an article on it a few years ago.

[Captain Morgan]

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[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Also, keep in mind that even with laser timing, the NFL doesn't actually do a "real" Olympic style timing because they have concerns about all the 40 times all of a sudden getting slower(which would likely happen). I remember reading an article on it a few years ago.

Yep. In the NFL, the clock starts when the player moves. In the Olympics, the clock starts on the gun. Elite sprinter reaction times are about 0.12 seconds. Football players wouldn't be able to duplicate that with a couple months of training. All the times would be at least 0.12 seconds slower. There wouldn't be anymore 4.3 guys.

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yep. In the NFL, the clock starts when the player moves. In the Olympics, the clock starts on the gun. Elite sprinter reaction times are about 0.12 seconds. Football players wouldn't be able to duplicate that with a couple months of training. All the times would be at least 0.12 seconds slower. There wouldn't be anymore 4.3 guys.

I always thought that was such a fuging goofy line of reasoning anyway. No one actually thinks these guys run those speeds anyway, so what does it matter what the perception is from the public? All the front office guys and scouts know the actual truth.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I always thought that was such a fuging goofy line of reasoning anyway. No one actually thinks these guys run those speeds anyway, so what does it matter what the perception is from the public? All the front office guys and scouts know the actual truth.

Honestly, I think it's actually a more fair way to time guys who aren't trained sprinters. Reaction times would probably vary wildly and skew the times to the point of being nearly useless.

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Honestly, I think it's actually a more fair way to time guys who aren't trained sprinters. Reaction times would probably vary wildly and skew the times to the point of being nearly useless.

I mean, no moreso than training specifically to run those 40 times faster. It's all just "workout" training, not something you actually use on the football field. 

[Mr. Scot]

The concept of speed training has always been a little bit funny to me.

I know our old friend Don Beebe started a business doing that.

[MHS831]

I think it is still important to remember that we weigh them, measure them, interview them, test them, clock them, work them out, watch hours of film---

YET

• The first round gives you a 63% chance of finding a starter.
• The second round gives you a 27% chance, the third a 17% chance, then it really plummets from there with 8% in the fourth and 6% in the 7th.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/2/20/8072877/what-the-statistics-tell-us-about-the-draft-by-round