Panthers @ Hurricanes Predictions, Chatter, Game Thread 2/17

[Stumpy]

An absolutely idiotic pass attempt leads to the breakaway.

Trash.

[RedStorm]

Those aren’t your grandmother’s Florida Panthers, what a good looking team game they have. 

[zacka77ack]

Not over best OT. Sloppy turn over to leave Ned put to dry. But Ned should have never let in that soft 3rd goal.

[TrevorLaurenceTime22]

4 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Fug we got too greedy there. Gardiner with a rare mistake right there.

As soon as Gardnier did that and the breakaway started I knew we lost Ned doesn't have the patience not to overcommit.

[KillerKat]

2 minutes ago, Stumpy said:

An absolutely idiotic pass attempt leads to the breakaway.

Trash.

Right after I just said I was getting tired of the trash passes. That really needs to be addressed.

[TrevorLaurenceTime22]

Still got a point so not all bad...

[Harbingers]

I will say Florida ain't gonna be no joke this season. Gonna be interesting to see how the top 3-4 dynamic starts working out.

[Harbingers]

Just now, TrevorLaurenceTime22 said:

Still got a point so not all bad...

Ya, Breaking the home streak though is Q_Q.

[Stumpy]

Dammit Alec!

[RedStorm]

17 minutes ago, TrevorLaurenceTime22 said:

As soon as Gardnier did that and the breakaway started I knew we lost Ned doesn't have the patience not to overcommit.

I didn’t notice it live, but to Ned’s credit, when I saw the replay, he did poke check the puck...unfortunately it bounced right back on Huberdeau’s stick...

[TrevorLaurenceTime22]

2 hours ago, Harbingers said:

Ya, Breaking the home streak though is Q_Q.

Not traveling is the only advantage seeing as it's 0 attendance in NC.... 

[cookinbrak]

So the 2 best teams played and it went to overtime? that seems about right.

One of them was playing their 3rd string goalie? waitaminute.....

[KillerKat]

13 hours ago, Harbingers said:

On paper it'd look like that but add in the opponents and everything changes.

On Paper:

From Wiki

• the first line is usually composed of the best offensive players on the team. Teams rely heavily on this line, which generates the bulk of the team's scoring. These players often see the highest number of minutes among forwards in a game and are usually part of the team's starting lineup.
• The second line is generally composed of second-tier offensive players, and helps by adding supplementary offense to that generated by the first line while contributing more two-way play than the offensively-focused scoring line. Higher end (typically first line) players may be put on the second line to spread scoring across the lineup, making a team more difficult for opponents to defend against. This frequently happens when a team has two high-end players who play the same position.
• The third line is often called the checking line, and is generally made up of more defensively oriented forwards and grinders. This line is often played against an opponent's first or second lines in an effort to reduce their scoring, and physically wear them down. The third line adds less offense than the first or second lines, but generally more than the fourth.
• The fourth line is often called the "energy line," both because their shifts give other players a chance to rest, and because their physically oriented play is said to give their teammates an emotional boost. Traditionally it was composed of journeymen with limited scoring potential, but strong physical play and, as often as possible, strong skating abilities. With the smallest amount of ice time, they tend to play in short bursts rather than pace themselves. Pests and enforcers usually play the fourth line, as do centers whose primary skill is winning faceoffs. The fourth line can be a checking line. With the rise of analytics the traditional fourth line of enforcers is being replaced by more skilled players.^[1]t

 

Hurricanes Translation:

First Line: Is Aho line. Best scoring center with whoever is hot.

Second Line: Trochecks Line. So in most hockey line's this is where Svech would be but not here.

Third Line: Staals line. Svech is here because of our amazing amount of depth in the first two lines. In a straight scoring line you'd see Svech with Aho + One. Staal is not really our checking line. Its really just another 1st/2nd line in reality.

Fourth Line: With the recent addition Paquettes we now have an actual enforcer so this is our bully line now.

So we really do have a depth of scorers and that's why you see Svech on Line 3. It makes it harder to game plan against. kinda like playing a man vs. zone corner.

So we'll send out 3 to start, keep Aho's line fresh to mount an offensive when they get an opportune match up. We could go 3-2-4-1 or go 3(for the faceoff and immediately send out 1). It all depends on how the opposing lines match up.

We kind of break the norms with 2 first lines and a 3rd pretty heavy scoring line as well.

Short Awnser: Aho is basically Cam/Luke where as Staal is Davis. So Aho centers the one line while Staal does the third.

The other Lines you got to think about is Penalty Kill and Power Play lines too but thats a whole nother thing.

I've been thinking about it more and even if we put a different line out there to matchup better with the opponent's line, the opponent will then also adjust. So it's constant adjusting back and forth. It seems like it would be easier to just spread out your best talent among all 4 lines or at least the top 3, that way you're not top heavy and more even, then just roll with that. Then if one line keeps getting beat, adjust accordingly. I thought that's what teams did anyway, but after reading this it seems way more complicated.

Edited February 18, 2021 by KillerKat

[t96]

Rough loss after being up 2-0 but I'm not too concerned. Huberdeau had some incredible individual plays for 2 of their goals, Ned let in a really soft one and their goalie played really well. I don't put much stock into OT/shootout outcomes once you get to that point because there is never a time in the playoffs where that type of play happens (yes you could have 3-3 with 2 penalties on each team, but that's incredibly rare). The team played really hard and solid despite some guys still being a little rusty (looking at you Slavin). And Florida is definitely a good team. Things could change but it's looking like a 3 horse race between us, FL and TB for the division lead. Can't wait until Mrazek is back too.