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Sam Darnold stats through week 2

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trueblade Grand Master

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19 hours ago, Fox007 said:

It wasn't the runs that ended his career.

The hits from the rushing attempts may cause cumulative damage that shortens careers. This is more of any hypothesis than a definitive statement.

18 hours ago, Fox007 said:

Like Lamar Jackson hasn't come close to getting hurt running the ball all over the shop. They've gone over this many times. QBs get hurt IN  the pocket not running the ball. Other than, ironically, sliding where you've seen bridgewater and flacco get knocked out sliding.

Lamar is in year 4 (2018 rookie). That is the equivalent of Cam in early 2015. Cam, at that point, also hadn't come close to getting hurt running the ball.

My idea is that if you use your QB like an RB, don't be surprised if their longevity is closer to that of an RB than a QB. RBs drop off after age 30. Cam is 32. Lamar is 24. 

We can try to refine this a bit more. 1800 carries seems to be about when RBs falter. Cam had over a 1000 carries, and also took 322 sacks. That alone puts him at around 1400 hits. We also know QBs often get hit after releasing the ball, but I can't find any stats on that. Newton had 4383 career pass attempts. Getting hit on just 10% of those puts him at the magical 1800.

How does Lamar compare?

I put Lamar at around 682 total hits. 510 rushing attempts plus 72 sacks, plus about 100 QB hits (He has 1003 career pass attempts. If we use the same (admittedly arbitrary) 10% of pass attempts where Lamar is taking a hit).

He has about 60 more rushing attempts than Newton did at the same stage of their career, but Lamar has taken half the number of sacks (72 to 152 for Cam at the same point in this career).

I would guess Lamar has 4-7 more good years, but the closer he gets to age 30 and/or 1800 hits, the more I'd be worried if I was a Ravens fan. If you use your QB like an RB, don't be surprised if their longevity is closer to that of an RB than a QB.

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2 hours ago, trueblade said:

The hits from the rushing attempts may cause cumulative damage that shortens careers. This is more of any hypothesis than a definitive statement.

Lamar is in year 4 (2018 rookie). That is the equivalent of Cam in early 2015. Cam, at that point, also hadn't come close to getting hurt running the ball.

My idea is that if you use your QB like an RB, don't be surprised if their longevity is closer to that of an RB than a QB. RBs drop off after age 30. Cam is 32. Lamar is 24. 

We can try to refine this a bit more. 1800 carries seems to be about when RBs falter. Cam had over a 1000 carries, and also took 322 sacks. That alone puts him at around 1400 hits. We also know QBs often get hit after releasing the ball, but I can't find any stats on that. Newton had 4383 career pass attempts. Getting hit on just 10% of those puts him at the magical 1800.

How does Lamar compare?

I put Lamar at around 682 total hits. 510 rushing attempts plus 72 sacks, plus about 100 QB hits (He has 1003 career pass attempts. If we use the same (admittedly arbitrary) 10% of pass attempts where Lamar is taking a hit).

He has about 60 more rushing attempts than Newton did at the same stage of their career, but Lamar has taken half the number of sacks (72 to 152 for Cam at the same point in this career).

I would guess Lamar has 4-7 more good years, but the closer he gets to age 30 and/or 1800 hits, the more I'd be worried if I was a Ravens fan. If you use your QB like an RB, don't be surprised if their longevity is closer to that of an RB than a QB.

Great point. I would add that although your benchmark for hitting the wall is as much dependent on the QB/RB and whether they even make that mark.  

Personally I think it's a mistake to use your QB like a RB as much as some teams do. But coaches are under pressure to win.  And when they don't have enough talent or just simply can't come up with an offense to be competitive then this is what you see.

If you want to call something college or even worse junior varsity it would be that.

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42 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

The best thing I saw about Darnold....After throwing that STOOPID shovel pick thing to give NO an INT, he did not let it bother him.  Don't do that again---Sam---but way to regroup and win the game.

...yea...that shovel... i blew too...then moved on...haha.. not even going to try to figure that out...

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1 hour ago, Pimpdaddy said:

...yea...that shovel... i blew too...then moved on...haha.. not even going to try to figure that out...

I think you may have used a few choice words in the gamethread to describe Sam at that point.

words like "Asshole" and "Dumbass", to be exact.  🤨

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2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

The best thing I saw about Darnold....After throwing that STOOPID shovel pick thing to give NO an INT, he did not let it bother him.  Don't do that again---Sam---but way to regroup and win the game.

He regrouped and ended up leading a TD-drive that SHOULD HAVE iced the game if our STOOPID kicker would make a frick'n XP.

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