Next Gen Stats - How bad it really was

[Zod]

@NextGenStats: The Eagles pressured Sam Darnold on 19 of his 40 dropbacks (47.5%), allowing just 5 completions on 16 attempts under pressure (2 INT).

Four different Eagles pass rushers generated 6+ pressures, the second team to do so over the last four seasons.

[1of10Charnatives]

For all the criticism of Darnold in the last 24 hours, and I'm not saying it's not merited, what we're seeing atm is Sam playing the same way he did with the Jets when he's forced to deal with similar circumstances. I hate what happened yesterday, but it should be pretty obvious his poor play is going hand in hand with lack of protection. Teams are figuring out that it's not hard to get pressure on him because our line is absolute dogshit.

Is this a better team overall than the Jets? Of course. But is the part of it that most directly impacts a QB's ability to perform, the OL, any better than what he dealt with in NJ?

No. 

It's worse.

Fix the OL. If he continues to play poorly, then we know he's not our guy. Until then, it's a lot harder to say.

[Mage]

The only offensive line in Panthers history that I can remember being worse, is 2014.  

Isn't that crazy though?  For as bad as this OL is, I STILL don't think it is half as bad as the one that year.  At least until Norwell and Turner started later in the season.  

The line the majority of the season IIRC

Byron Bell

Amini Silatolu

Ryan Kalil

Fernando Velasco

Nate Chandler

Now the question is does this team have any Norwell/Turner's they can insert into the line-up late in the season?  I'd say our only hope is Deonte Brown.  Play Moton/Brady at the tackles spot, hope Brown works out at guard, allows us to move Erving to the other guard position.  That leaves Paradis but not much we can do about that.  

[Fox007]

15 minutes ago, Zod said:

@NextGenStats: The Eagles pressured Sam Darnold on 19 of his 40 dropbacks (47.5%), allowing just 5 completions on 16 attempts under pressure (2 INT).

Four different Eagles pass rushers generated 6+ pressures, the second team to do so over the last four seasons.

Yea I posted this in another thread. Also posted this in another thread: "The Panthers always give teams their history and generate super stats for otherwise poo teams/players"

[1of10Charnatives]

And people gave me grief for being upset we took Marshall in the 2nd over a quality OL, even after I made it clear my problem wasn't with Marshall but with continuing to ignore the OL til later rounds. Let's take a quick poll, who would trade Marshall right now for a quality interior lineman?

[BrianS]

It's all on the interior.  If you can't anchor, your whole line looks bad.  Tackles can't do their job because a lot of their technique revolves around ushering the edge player upfield past the QB, or to a point where the QB can simply step up.  Whole thing breaks down when the pressure is up the gut.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

And people gave me grief for being upset we took Marshall in the 2nd over a quality OL, even after I made it clear my problem wasn't with Marshall but with continuing to ignore the OL til later rounds. Let's take a quick poll, who would trade Marshall right now for a quality interior lineman?

Yeah, I thought I understood the pick. I thought it was made with the intention of allowing us to let Anderson walk after this season and net us a nice comp pick in return while replacing Anderson with a guy in a cheap rookie contract. But then we extended Anderson and he disappeared so now I don't know WTF the plan was/is.

If we were planning to extend Anderson all along WR probably shouldn't have even been on the board in the 1st or 2nd rounds. Hell, maybe not even the 3rd unless some insane value was there.

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, I thought I understood the pick. I thought it was made with the intention of allowing us to let Anderson walk after this season and net us a nice comp pick in return while replacing Anderson with a guy in a cheap rookie contract. But then we extended Anderson and he disappeared so now I don't know WTF the plan was/is.

In todays NFL and in the era that these kids are coming up playing 7 on 7s and year round football, wide receivers are a dime a dozen, much like running backs.  Premier lineman.........not so much. 

 

I like just about everything Fitt and co has done since he got here but failing to address the offensive line is down right retarded. 

[Fox007]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, I thought I understood the pick. I thought it was made with the intention of allowing us to let Anderson walk after this season and net us a nice comp pick in return while replacing Anderson with a guy in a cheap rookie contract. But then we extended Anderson and he disappeared so now I don't know WTF the plan was/is.

If we were planning to extend Anderson all along WR probably shouldn't have even been on the board in the 1st or 2nd rounds. Hell, maybe not even the 3rd unless some insane value was there.

The Anderson extension is looking real bad. Maybe close to Hurney level move especially since it has been clear that DJ Moore is the better player and there has never been anything closet o a debate about that.

[Fox007]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

In todays NFL and in the era that these kids are coming up playing 7 on 7s and year round football, wide receivers are a dime a dozen, much like running backs.  Premier lineman.........not so much. 

 

I like just about everything Fitt and co has done since he got here but failing to address the offensive line is down right retarded. 

A starter for KC was grabbed in the 6th too when he was one people were saying to grab in the 3rd and then 4th while in draft chat.

[1of10Charnatives]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, I thought I understood the pick. I thought it was made with the intention of allowing us to let Anderson walk after this season and net us a nice comp pick in return while replacing Anderson with a guy in a cheap rookie contract. But then we extended Anderson and he disappeared so now I don't know WTF the plan was/is.

Here's the problem not getting OL help sticks us with:

We still don't know if Darnold is worth keeping. Yes yesterday was bad, but as this thread title makes abundantly clear, it's easy to be bad when you're constantly in fear of getting killed. Those stats are absurb. Our line is absurdly bad, and it's not like that wasn't obvious in the offseason. There is really no justification whatsoever for taking a WR in the 2nd when it was already one of your stronger position groups without even accounting for how good a receiver CMC is out of the backfield while continuing to ignore an obviously awful OL as you bring in a young but unproven QB from a bad franchise.

The tactic you described of drafting Marshall to let Anderson walk? That's the kind of luxury move teams that aren't horribly shorthanded at critical position groups get to make with day 1 picks, not teams looking at starting the football version of the Washington Generals plus one good RT should even be considering.

[rico6]

Russ ran the guy outta town for the same poo

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

Here's the problem not getting OL help sticks us with:

We still don't know if Darnold is worth keeping. Yes yesterday was bad, but as this thread title makes abundantly clear, it's easy to be bad when you're constantly in fear of getting killed. Those stats are absurb. Our line is absurdly bad, and it's not like that wasn't obvious in the offseason. There is really no justification whatsoever for taking a WR in the 2nd when it was already one of your stronger position groups without even accounting for how good a receiver CMC is out of the backfield while continuing to ignore an obviously awful OL as you bring in a young but unproven QB from a bad franchise.

The tactic you described of drafting Marshall to let Anderson walk? That's the kind of luxury move teams that aren't horribly shorthanded at critical position groups get to make with day 1 picks, not teams looking at starting the football version of the Washington Generals plus one good RT should even be considering.

If I am reading that stat correctly, every other pass attempt someone was pressuring Darnold.  Thats absurd and I dont put yesterday all on Sam. 

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, rico6 said:

Russ ran the guy outta town for the same poo

The issues the Seahawks have been having on the OL for years now married with this disaster of an OL we're fielding = definitely concerning.