Matt Rhule being as honest as it will get

[onmyown]

3 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

Well, if you got the proof I won’t question it. I’ll admit being wrong. I just don’t think DJ nor Robby is as bad as what we’re seeing this year. 
 

I also would lock DJ up with no concerns, providing we provide him a different QB. It’s about time we get him a reliable, accurate, good QB. He hasn’t had that since he’s been here, and I’m including that last year of Cam

meh I’m not going to search 2-3 year ago threads I honestly don’t know how to search for them I don’t remember titles

but I wouldn’t bring it up if I didn’t have some recollection of it, I remember posting in those threads around the time smitty blasted DJ (which you can find with a google search

now that he’s showing signs of that poo again it’s concerning

there is context though…I mean let’s look at DJs career, he’s been given garabage  as you said every single yea since entering the league, that has to be discouraging

im sure 4 years of trash influences him to not try…but the greats don’t do that

despite this, I wouldn’t mind locking him up either but not for top WR money

[AggieLean]

3 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

So you release him with all of that guaranteed money and bring in another reclamation project vet?

At that point you are just throwing bad money at bad money.  That might get you the pink slip also.

Honestly if we draft a QB that isn't ready, and people have their doubts about this class, you just let Darnold start again and the rookie takes over later in the season or the following season. Maybe Darnold looks decent enough somebody signs him as a free agent to be a back up and you get a comp pick out of it. 

If you draft a rookie you might buy some time, you can sell fanbase on a plan.  

It sounds bad, but we don't' need to be focused on winning, we need to be focused on finding a QB, that is what has got us in this trouble to start with.

 

 

 

I agree with this plan. I’m prepared to sit through another bad year to make sure we truly have our guy and do this right.

[AggieLean]

1 minute ago, onmyown said:

meh I’m not going to search 2-3 year ago threads I honestly don’t know how to search for them I don’t remember titles

but I wouldn’t bring it up if I didn’t have some recollection of it, I remember posting in those threads around the time smitty blasted DJ (which you can find with a google search

now that he’s showing signs of that poo again it’s concerning

there is context though…I mean let’s look at DJs career, he’s been given garabage  as you said every single yea since entering the league, that has to be discouraging

im sure 4 years of trash influences him to not try…but the greats don’t do that

despite this, I wouldn’t mind locking him up either but not for top WR money

Yean gotta do all that, I believe you. 
 

I just think DJ is a guy you absolutely lock up, and I’d have no issue doing it. He’s magical, and I absolutely believe he’s a #1. 

[OneBadCat]

18 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

Sam showed some heart this past game, so I’ll never take that away from him. It reminded me of when Cam was against Atlanta and dragged that defense for the first down. He was dead to rights 4 or 5 yards before the 1st down marker. Also, reminded me of the head shots; in particular, when that safety got him dead in the head but he came right back.

I’m not taking anything away from Sam. He had his best game yesterday and showed a ton of heart like you said. I want him to succeed here and be our Shane Falco. I won’t deny his bad performances the last few weeks though.

[AU-panther]

5 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

He is either getting released or getting moved or gonna be a backup. If you bring him back as a starter, you are just asking to be fired. He will not improve and he will cost you games. 

I agree on the focusing on winning. It's a very strange thing to say but they sort of got caught up in the moment and forgot this was a rebuilding effort. The sad part is that we aren't that terribly far away from being a good team. They just need to stick with the ORIGINAL plan and build effectively. Fix the OL and get a real NFL QB.

So what if he cost games, if you draft a rookie QB who needs a year,  losing next season wouldn't be that bad, better draft picks the following year.

Why waste money on a different vet to be a place holder when you have a guy who is already paid?

Even you, who believes in rebuilding is still thinking W/L, the organization has to decide to think long term, and that starts at the top.

 

 

 

 

[AggieLean]

Just now, OneBadCat said:

I’m not taking anything away from Sam. He had his best game yesterday and showed a ton of heart like you said. I want him to succeed here and be our Shane Falco. I won’t deny his bad performances the last few weeks though.

Sam’s best game was a mediocre game for QBs ranked in the top 20-25. That’s just what it is.

I got nothing against Sam. I can go overboard, but that’s just me going against his supporters, and admittedly with things that have happened in the past, it’s personal with me and them; I’m human. I will atleast admit my faults. I’m going to take my shots when they’re open. Anyways, I think Sam tries his hardest, he just ain’t it. I think the game is too fast for him. It’s unfortunate, because I want the panthers to win. I’m a Winston Salem cat. I’m tied to this team until the end. 

[AU-panther]

13 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

I agree with this plan. I’m prepared to sit through another bad year to make sure we truly have our guy and do this right.

The problem though, is that even if that is our plan, there might not be a good QB to draft next year.  Some years there just aren't any.

 

[AggieLean]

1 minute ago, AU-panther said:

The problem though, is that even if that is our plan, there might not be a good QB to draft next year.  Some years there just aren't any.

 

Lol this is true. Well, let me say I’m firm on my sit a year or 2 stance, but after a year or 2 we would have needed to draft a QB or traded for an established one.

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

So what if he cost games, if you draft a rookie QB who needs a year,  losing next season wouldn't be that bad, better draft picks the following year.

Why waste money on a different vet to be a place holder when you have a guy who is already paid?

Even you, who believes in rebuilding is still thinking W/L, the organization has to decide to think long term, and that starts at the top.

I don't know that even I would roll with Sam in 2022 even thinking rebuild. I am very sure they will not, because Tepper seems impatient and Rhule is gonna be feeling the heat. They have all bought in on the "win now" mentality. 

I would start Sam again simply because you risk flatly losing the team and losing talent that just wants out of here. It's hard to keep competitive people around on a losing franchise. That is at least part of what keeps bad franchises bad for a long time.

[pantherclaw]

Rhule can make sure the oline starts getting it's roids,  and we can run all over these mfers all the way to the Lombardi. 

 

[AggieLean]

Sam is at worst with a clean pocket lol. A roided up line isn’t going to do us no good.

[BlackPanther21_]

7 hours ago, WarPanthers89 said:

What seemed to be the best set of skills position players we have ever had has turned into a pile of poo. It’s crazy how much we have regressed year over year on offense. 

None of that matters when QB and O-line are the weakest parts on your team.

[AggieLean]

21 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't know that even I would roll with Sam in 2022 even thinking rebuild. I am very sure they will not, because Tepper seems impatient and Rhule is gonna be feeling the heat. They have all bought in on the "win now" mentality. 

I would start Sam again simply because you risk flatly losing the team and losing talent that just wants out of here. It's hard to keep competitive people around on a losing franchise. That is at least part of what keeps bad franchises bad for a long time.

Yep. That feeling is the only reason you bring in Gilmore and make that Henderson trade. They’ve all bought into the fact that they think they’re good enough now.  Honestly, they are. With a better QB and maybe better play calling and coaching that would be a reality

Sucks, because I’m sure that team feels they are good enough. I’m sure Gilmore thought they were

Edited November 2, 2021 by AggieLean

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

Yep. That feeling is the only reason you bring in Gilmore and make that Henderson trade. They’ve all bought into the fact that they think they’re good enough now.  Honestly, they are. With a better QB and maybe better play calling and coaching that would be a reality

Sucks, because I’m sure that team feels they are good enough. I’m sure Gilmore thought they were

I agree. This is a team that could have won immediately. All we had to do was take the OL seriously and not assemble the worst QB unit in the NFL. That was it.