Deviation from the Original Plan.. Is the Reason for this Mess..

[WOW!!]

11 hours ago, Icege said:

This was literally the point of the thread that I made, but somehow folks thought it was a pro-Teddy thread in spite of explicitly stating at the very beginning that it isn't pro-Teddy.

Exactly not Pro Teddy.. Its Pro have patience stick to the rebuild and have a better outlook with a bridge QB a young QB and all of our assets..

[KSpan]

2 hours ago, WOW!! said:

Keeping him I feel would have guaranteed we drafted a QB this year.. Getting Sam destroyed that option...

And reality is if we'd stayed with the plan we could have had a better record with Teddy and if not Atleast a young QB learning and waiting in the wings to take over..

 

2 hours ago, WOW!! said:

Exactly not Pro Teddy.. Its Pro have patience stick to the rebuild and have a better outlook with a bridge QB a young QB and all of our assets..

I don't know that this staff and/or FO were ever going to draft a QB this year with how the picks fell. Agreed that that may have been the deviation, but disagree that cutting Teddy was deviating.

The fundamental issue here is that they were only out a few million by moving Teddy (bit retained/gained credibility in the process) but then appear to have flopped by trading for Sam (and then signing the 5th year) and giving up draft capital. Booting Teddy exhibits a commitment to winning (even if more of a facade), and bringing in any of those guys I mentioned earlier on a 1 yr deal retains that and the bridge.

Rhule would have killed any credibility he had at the time by trotting out a player again that no one had any kind of confidence in whatsoever. After that 2020 performance, keeping Teddy as a starter would have been an automatic white flag on the season, and there's still no guarantee the staff drafts a QB. They're 2 different things.

Edited December 9, 2021 by KSpan

[Icege]

4 hours ago, WOW!! said:

Exactly not Pro Teddy.. Its Pro have patience stick to the rebuild and have a better outlook with a bridge QB a young QB and all of our assets..

[Newbie]

On 12/7/2021 at 4:24 PM, HammerinCameron said:

There's 5 games left and were in the thick of the playoff race, and are undefeated in our division and that will continue Sunday. Stop with the doom and gloom bullshit.

Cam had a rating of 125 for Carolina a couple weeks ago, in a Panthers uni - were going to get hot and Cam will save Rhule like he did Rivera.

We're making the playoffs.

This guy is either Matt Rhule or David Tepper. 

[frankw]

15 hours ago, Icege said:

This was literally the point of the thread that I made, but somehow folks thought it was a pro-Teddy thread in spite of explicitly stating at the very beginning that it isn't pro-Teddy.

He's gone and he wasnt the answer short term or long term anyway. Move on.

[frankw]

On 12/7/2021 at 5:29 PM, PNW_PantherMan said:

The whole idea of a "bridge" QB was a mistake.  Signing Bridgewater was one of the first mistakes Rhule made.  It just doesn't fit the rebuild at all.

Exactly. What part of paying a marginal quarterback 30 million dollars for one season sounds like a rebuild? We could have just kept Heinicke and Cam. The sad truth is nobody on this staff can evaluate quarterbacks or olinemen.

[grimesgoat]

33 minutes ago, frankw said:

Exactly. What part of paying a marginal quarterback 30 million dollars for one season sounds like a rebuild? We could have just kept Heinicke and Cam. The sad truth is nobody on this staff can evaluate quarterbacks or olinemen.

I believe at the time, the salary was not outrageous.  The cap hit in 2020 was only 14m, which is not crazy for a starting NFL vet QB.  Only when we traded him did he cost us the additional cash.

To me, keeping Cam was not an option.  In 2018 he lost his last 6 games in a row (before finally sitting down the last 2), averaging 18 pts and throwing 9 tds and 9 picks.  In 2019, he lost the only two games he played in (cap hit 23.2m).  In 2020, the choice was pay him 20m and hope he holds up or start a rebuild and take a 2m hit.  That's assuming he would not hold out for an extension.  It would be malpractice not to cut him at that point.

Heineke hadn't showed anything at that point but I wasn't opposed to him.  I was in favor with rolling with Allen and signing someone like Flacco cheap to come in and mentor him.  I thought that pair would create competitive games but still land us with a top 5 pick.  Bridgewater was not on my radar and did not like the signing but whatevs.

I won't debate the OL issue.  Pickings have been slim.  They've tried some stuff, but most draft capital has gone to the defense.  This may prove to be the right move in a year or two as these guys mature.  We'll see.

[Icege]

Sticking with the original plan would've meant retaining a 2nd, 4th, and 6th round draft pick as well as the ability to part ways with Teddy to save $21M rather than being stuck with Darnold at the cost of $19M.

Just imagine... this team was in a position to draft Mac Jones. Instead, they decided to pay $17M, a 2nd, a 4th, and a 6th in exchange for Sam Darnold replacing Teddy Bridgewater plus a 6th. That's awful no matter how much somebody hates Teddy for replacing Cam. 

We really could've been in a position to have Mac Jones starting next year behind Christensen-???-Linderbaum-Brown-Moton

[Waldo]

The original plan wasn't good anyways. It was also a Hurney influenced plan.

So we got another GM and this plan looks worse, the one year implosion.

But let's not flush this turd away completely. Let a chunk of these people create the new plan...trust the process lol

If the plan was to hire people to nose dive the franchise so that we are forced to do a real rebuild, I think it's working.

[Jon Snow]

4 hours ago, Icege said:

I'm certain the reason Teddy was booted was because he spoke out against Brady behind the scenes.  Even Teddy knew Brady was out of his depth.  Also Teddy sucked which didn't help his case.

[mc52beast]

On 12/7/2021 at 4:47 PM, HammerinCameron said:

People who don't think Cam is the future here are wrong.

A lot of teams didn’t think Cam was their future, we aren’t alone. Cam can still be a good qb but you don’t build a team around a 32 year old.