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Just now, PootieNunu said:

Midseason MVP, then he fell off the side of a cliff. We dont need a QB for 8 games.

Murray is not better than Prescott. Tannehill maybe. 

I guess a guy that plays at an MVP clip for at least half a season is not a top 10 QB now? Jesus. This guy is incorrigible. 

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Just now, NCTHFL0567 said:

I guess a guy that plays at an MVP clip for at least half a season is not a top 10 QB now? Jesus. This guy is incorrigible. 

He is more like a top 15 QB. He has not put up the passing numbers to be a top 10 guy.

He does have the potential to be a top 10 guy, but he is not there yet. With his habits and attitude he may not ever get there. He is far away from the truly elite QBs and would have to do a lot of work to get there which I do not see him doing. 

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7 minutes ago, NCTHFL0567 said:

Pretty good? Your definition of pretty good is a lot different than mine. Arizona's O-Line was marginal at best the majority of the year. Their running backs were mediocre. Their WR's were solid, but their defense got outscored by PJ Walker. I don't think he was surrounded pretty good. Not to mention, Kliff Kingsbury got fired from Taco Tech. He's not a good coach. 

I mean, James Connor had a pretty decent season last year. Over 1000 total yards and 18 TDs. LMAO @ Taco Tech. 

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Just now, PootieNunu said:

He is more like a top 15 QB. He has not put up the passing numbers to be a top 10 guy.

He does have the potential to be a top 10 guy, but he is not there yet. With his habits and attitude he may not ever get there. He is far away from the truly elite QBs and would have to do a lot of work to get there which I do not see him doing. 

I disagree. I think he's top 10 easily. There's an argument for Prescott, but RW is more injury prone than Kyler now and is much older. That's why I don't put him above him. He's clearly above Tannehill. It's not even close. 

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4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

His injuries the past 2 years, from running, have derailed the cards season.   So yeah injury prone.   

3 games in 3 years isn’t injury prone. Burrow has missed more on average than Kyler. I don’t want Kyler because I don’t want to pay out these huge QB contracts. We aren’t ready yet for that…

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Just now, joemac said:

I mean, James Connor had a pretty decent season last year. Over 1000 total yards and 18 TDs. LMAO @ Taco Tech. 

3.7 yards per carry. A stellar 757 yards rushing. Eh. TD's are cool. But Jerome Bettis had a total of 9 TD's and 360 yards his last season. Was that a good year? 

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Just now, ForJimmy said:

3 games in 3 years isn’t injury prone. Burrow has missed more on average than Kyler. I don’t want Kyler because I don’t want to pay out these huge QB contracts. We aren’t ready yet for that…

His injuries has affected his play.    Christalmighty people am I the only one here that watches football?   

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1 minute ago, ForJimmy said:

3 games in 3 years isn’t injury prone. Burrow has missed more on average than Kyler. I don’t want Kyler because I don’t want to pay out these huge QB contracts. We aren’t ready yet for that…

This reason is fine for me. But for the other people in here to say a guy is injury prone, make excuses, say he's not a top 10 QB, basically crap on him. When the alternative is a QB in a Draft class no one wants to draft a QB in? Yeah. Huddle gonna Huddle. 

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1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

His injuries has affected his play.    Christalmighty people am I the only one here that watches football?   

You literally said a QB that has missed 3 games in 3 years is injury prone. And you have the audacity to ask are you the only one that watches football? You might be the only one doing bath salts this morning. So there's that. 

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Just now, NCTHFL0567 said:

You literally said a QB that has missed 3 games in 3 years is injury prone. And you have the audacity to ask are you the only one that watches football? You might be the only one doing bath salts this morning. So there's that. 

He is injury prone due to his size and style of play.  When he stops looking to run his play isn’t as good.   See the playoff game as exhibit A

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1 minute ago, NCTHFL0567 said:

This reason is fine for me. But for the other people in here to say a guy is injury prone, make excuses, say he's not a top 10 QB, basically crap on him. When the alternative is a QB in a Draft class no one wants to draft a QB in? Yeah. Huddle gonna Huddle. 

Can we have him for just the #6 pick? No? Then move on, he is not worth it.

We are not winning the SB this season, we knew this season was going to suck when Rhule was retained, no reason to add insult to injury. Leave Kyler and his diva attitude in Arizona. 

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