Orlovsky: Pickett doesn’t have anything that isn’t coachable

[Shocker]

48 minutes ago, CRA said:

yet he stunk for 4 years at Pitt.  Had one good season in year 5 that happened to be in a down year for the ACC (which is still weak in a strong year). 

We are going to spend the #6 overall QB on a guy who is basically on par as a prospect overall as a Will Grier.  But Grier at least was drafted rightfully in the 3rd round.  Which is what would have happened to Pickett in a good draft class too. 

He was average for 4 years but was a Heisman finalist last season and was very good.  He isn't Will Grier but if you feel that way enjoy it.  

[La Pantera]

50 minutes ago, CRA said:

yet he stunk for 4 years at Pitt.  Had one good season in year 5 that happened to be in a down year for the ACC (which is still weak in a strong year). 

We are going to spend the #6 overall QB on a guy who is basically on par as a prospect overall as a Will Grier.  But Grier at least was drafted rightfully in the 3rd round.  Which is what would have happened to Pickett in a good draft class too.

So by ACC having a down year, you mean Clemson sucked? Because that was the only real difference. Well maybe besides Pitt and WF having an up year..

[Davidson Deac II]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

yet he stunk for 4 years at Pitt.  Had one good season in year 5 that happened to be in a down year for the ACC (which is still weak in a strong year). 

We are going to spend the #6 overall QB on a guy who is basically on par as a prospect overall as a Will Grier.  But Grier at least was drafted rightfully in the 3rd round.  Which is what would have happened to Pickett in a good draft class too. 

You and I have a dramatically different definition of stunk.

[CRA]

27 minutes ago, La Pantera said:

So by ACC having a down year, you mean Clemson sucked? Because that was the only real difference. Well maybe besides Pitt and WF having an up year..

On top of the ACC power having an offense that made the Carolina Panther offense look good last season? Well...

the Coastal Division Pitt plays in was super weak last year.  Miami and UNC finished as top 25 teams the year prior.  Both stunk last year.   ND was part of the ACC the year prior too who finished top 5 with Clemson and they were removed from the equation.   

ACC was definately weaker Pickett's one good season than it was the season prior. 

[Jackie Lee]

Orlovsky also said Jordan Love was a better prospect than Justin Herbert. I get that he's saying Pickett isn't anything special, but unless Sam takes a major leap, it's obvious not every guy with physical talent can be mentally coached up

[La Pantera]

6 minutes ago, CRA said:

On top of the ACC power having an offense that made the Carolina Panther offense look good last season? Well...

the Coastal Division Pitt plays in was super weak last year.  Miami and UNC finished as top 25 teams the year prior.  Both stunk last year.   ND was part of the ACC the year prior too who finished top 5 with Clemson and they were removed from the equation.   

ACC was definately weaker Pickett's one good season than it was the season prior. 

Adding ND to the ACC for ONE year due to covid doesn't help your cause. 

UNC and MIA are never consistent ACC contenders. They're usually pretty meh. They had down years. Pitt and wake forest had up years. So looks like a wash to me,in the overall ACC standing. 

Clemson is the only true contenders in the ACC. They were completely underwhelming. They were the only real difference in the conference.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Shocker said:

He was average for 4 years but was a Heisman finalist last season and was very good.  He isn't Will Grier but if you feel that way enjoy it.  

yeah, so was Will Grier.  Will Grier was Heisman finalist and was very good his last season.  He actually had 2 very good seasons back to back(unlike Pickett).   Grier also played a tougher SOS in both his good seasons than Pickett did in his one. 

If Pickett was coming into the NFL last season or even Will Grier's seasons....no one would be talking about spending a 1st round pick on him.  And certainly not the #6 overall pick.   

 

[CRA]

10 minutes ago, La Pantera said:

Adding ND to the ACC for ONE year due to covid doesn't help your cause. 

UNC and MIA are never consistent ACC contenders. They're usually pretty meh. They had down years. Pitt and wake forest had up years. So looks like a wash to me,in the overall ACC standing. 

Clemson is the only true contenders in the ACC. They were completely underwhelming. They were the only real difference in the conference.

Who you play in a year is who you play in a year.   2021 was a super easy schedule vs teams Pitt played in 2020.  

ND joining certainly is relevant.  Pitt had to play them in 2020.   Didn't in 2021.  It's also relevant if UNC or Miami or Clemson were having good years or bad years.   If you are simply contrasting how weak or strong the ACC was from one year to another.   

[grimesgoat]

I don't want to draft Pickett, but calling him a 1-year wonder is a little disengenuous.

I went back and looked at the covid-filled 2020 season.  Pitt was 6-5, but he did not play in 2 of the losses.  2 of his losses were by 1 point to BC and NC State.  So he was a couple points away from an 8-1 record.

His only bad game was against Clemson, where he tossed 4 of his 9 ints.

Again, not interested in him - rather go with Darnold.  Just trying to be fair.  He didn't actually stink in 2020.  I did not look at 2017-2019.

[CRA]

10 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

I don't want to draft Pickett, but calling him a 1-year wonder is a little disengenuous.

I went back and looked at the covid-filled 2020 season.  Pitt was 6-5, but he did not play in 2 of the losses.  2 of his losses were by 1 point to BC and NC State.  So he was a couple points away from an 8-1 record.

His only bad game was against Clemson, where he tossed 4 of his 9 ints.

Again, not interested in him - rather go with Darnold.  Just trying to be fair.  He didn't actually stink in 2020.  I did not look at 2017-2019.

he didn't stink.  But he wasn't good.   He had 1 good season in a 5 year career. 

[grimesgoat]

10 minutes ago, CRA said:

he didn't stink.  But he wasn't good.   He had 1 good season in a 5 year career. 

I'd characterize it as a couple good years, then a freakishly good year.

Again - not advocating for him.  I would much rather wait a year as the next class looks stacked.  But if Pickett is picked, I will remain positive and learn to live with it.

[CRA]

24 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

I'd characterize it as a couple good years, then a freakishly good year.

Again - not advocating for him.  I would much rather wait a year as the next class looks stacked.  But if Pickett is picked, I will remain positive and learn to live with it.

13 TDs, 9 INTs.  That was 2020 and 2019.

That’s a low bar for good season. 

[micnificent28]

22 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

And Joe Burrow…

Joe Burrow was the number 1 overall pick and almost unanimous by all. Obviously something was special about him to be labeled the best period.

[Shocker]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

yeah, so was Will Grier.  Will Grier was Heisman finalist and was very good his last season.  He actually had 2 very good seasons back to back(unlike Pickett).   Grier also played a tougher SOS in both his good seasons than Pickett did in his one. 

If Pickett was coming into the NFL last season or even Will Grier's seasons....no one would be talking about spending a 1st round pick on him.  And certainly not the #6 overall pick.   

 

You could find many dudes that has good seasons with good stats and say “look they are the same”.  Pickett is more talented than Grier IMO.  If you don’t think so fine

Edited March 31, 2022 by Shocker