Why the Panthers should take a QB (article)

[Growl]

https://www.panthers.com/news/draft-debate-quarterback-makes-sense-willis-pickett-corral

 

Let’s set aside the “debate” real quick and all agree that Matt rhules college brain probably doesn’t value this component of the draft as much as he should (the individual wielding executive personnel control given to him by the owner):

”The sixth overall pick in this year's draft will be slotted into a contract that will pay him around $30 million for four years, with the team allowed to pick up a guaranteed option for a fifth year.

At a time when top quarterback salaries are eclipsing the $40 million a year mark and climbing fast, you can have the math skills of a journalism major and understand the value of finding them young.”

Everything Matt rhule has indicated so far is that his draft approach is that of the average panthers redditor

 

Edited April 25, 2022 by Growl

[Growl]

“The Panthers are also being genuine when they say there are several of these quarterbacks they like. But that depends on the when as much as the who.”

also the impression I get from this article is that the panthers would like to take a QB in (and only in) a trade down scenario, which is trademark colossally poor philosophy predictably coming from the leagues worst-ran team

if you think a QB is 1st round talent and have a 1st round grade on him, the idea that you’re comfortable taking him at #13 but not at #6 is brain meltingly stupid, and yet we must assume that it is sincere because if you were trying to entice a trade up, the dialogue coming out wouldn’t be “we’ll only take a QB if we can move down,” because you’re positioning yourself to negotiate from a position of weakness, without even offering up the threat of plucking a QB from the team looking to move up that may desire one

 

[Captroop]

Counterpoint:

No.

[SmokinwithWilly]

Finding a college QB to run a college offense is relatively easy with NFL talent. Granted we have a new NFL level OC but we still have a college coach, so no. 

[Daddy_Uncle]

Thats no reason to reach for a QB. I'd rather trade back and get more picks

[rayzor]

do they genuinely like them or is their like motivated by desperation?

also, do we want to invest in a QB with a low chance of success and a low ceiling rather than wait till next year and take advantage of the rare wealth of OL talent available this year to fill a gaping hole that's been an issue for a decade?

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 minute ago, rayzor said:

do they genuinely like them or is their like motivated by desperation?

also, do we want to invest in a QB with a low chance of success and a low ceiling rather than wait till next year and take advantage of the rare wealth of OL talent available to fill a gaping hole that's been an issue for a decade?

No. I hear there's going to be an elite DE for us at 6 that makes total sense. 

[Growl]

3 minutes ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

Thats no reason to reach for a QB. I'd rather trade back and get more picks

to do what exactly 

“moAr pIckZ” makes draft night fun and exciting which is most poster’s ultimate aim, but the practical reality is that when we reach the point where our stewardship of the draft has impactful consequences, a slew of JAGs or rotational pieces aren’t really contributing, and they especially aren’t doing so without a franchise QB

none of this peripheral hoop jumping has any point or purpose until the team finds someone at that position 

“but they could be great players!”

i hope not, that’s the worst case scenario. The last thing this organization needs is to luck into some great linebacker who helps carry the team to the middle of the draft and out of even the kind of opportunity they have now to acquire a QB in a “down class”

[Growl]

2 minutes ago, rayzor said:

do they genuinely like them or is their like motivated by desperation?

also, do we want to invest in a QB with a low chance of success and a low ceiling rather than wait till next year and take advantage of the rare wealth of OL talent available this year to fill a gaping hole that's been an issue for a decade?

well let’s swallow the hard to swallow pill:

the panthers won’t be in range to take one of those players next season. To operate as if they will is hope at best and delusion at worst. The teams that will be in range to do so won’t be trading those picks, and certainly won’t be trading them for less than three 1’s plus (should the panthers luck into the third or fourth overall pick team being amicable to a trade because the team has an option at QB, such as Jax)

once you accept this bitter truth, the question becomes…. So what are we going to do?

 

being able to use a single selection on the draft’s top QB prospect is value that cannot be overstated. To bypass that is a horrendous waste of opportunity cost.

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, Growl said:

well let’s swallow the hard to swallow pill:

the panthers won’t be in range to take one of those players next season. To operate as if they will is hope at best and delusion at worst. The teams that will be in range to do so won’t be trading those picks, and certainly won’t be trading them for less than three 1’s plus (should the panthers luck into the third or fourth overall pick team being amicable to a trade because the team has an option at QB, such as Jax)

once you accept this bitter truth, the question becomes…. So what are we going to do?

 

being able to use a single selection on the draft’s top QB prospect is value that cannot be overstated. To bypass that is a horrendous waste of opportunity cost.

They absolutely will be in range

[SmokinwithWilly]

6 minutes ago, Growl said:

to do what exactly 

“moAr pIckZ” makes draft night fun and exciting which is most poster’s ultimate aim, but the practical reality is that when we reach the point where our stewardship of the draft has impactful consequences, a slew of JAGs or rotational pieces aren’t really contributing, and they especially aren’t doing so without a franchise QB

none of this peripheral hoop jumping has any point or purpose until the team finds someone at that position 

“but they could be great players!”

i hope not, that’s the worst case scenario. The last thing this organization needs is to luck into some great linebacker who helps carry the team to the middle of the draft and out of even the kind of opportunity they have now to acquire a QB in a “down class”

It doesn't matter if you stay put or trade down if that talent doesn't see the field. We're in the position we're in right now debating whether or not we need a LT because Rhule refused to start BC until he had no choice. TMJ and Brown should have gotten playing time once we were out but Rhule didn't do that either. 

We have a coach that has selected as his guys, Teddy Bridgewater, Sam Darnold, and PJ Walker. There's no way I'm letting Rhule anywhere near selecting a QB at 6, especially when he's desperate. It's just a bad idea all the way around. 

[Growl]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

They absolutely will be in range

to be clear, your entire ethos to the future of this team is predicated on your absolutely certainty that the panthers will have the first overall pick in the draft next offseason?

 

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, Growl said:

to be clear, your entire ethos to the future of this team is predicated on your absolutely certainty that the panthers will have the first overall pick in the draft next offseason?

 

Not first but certainly top ten with a high probability of a top 5 pick.  

[Growl]

2 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

It doesn't matter if you stay put or trade down if that talent doesn't see the field. We're in the position we're in right now debating whether or not we need a LT because Rhule refused to start BC until he had no choice. TMJ and Brown should have gotten playing time once we were out but Rhule didn't do that either. 

We have a coach that has selected as his guys, Teddy Bridgewater, Sam Darnold, and PJ Walker. There's no way I'm letting Rhule anywhere near selecting a QB at 6, especially when he's desperate. It's just a bad idea all the way around. 

nothing that we’ve read has indicated that Matt rhule is the driving force behind selecting a QB, that’s just something that anti-QB people assumed because QB=Bad and Matt Rhule=Bad and so the two are lumped together rather than face the scary reality that the people in the building who want a QB are the ones who have more staying power

obviously we don’t for sure know their intentions, but it seems pretty clear from what they’ve said and what they’ve done that Dave tepper and Scott fitterer are the driving forces behind a selection of a QB.